Saw an article in CNN-IBN about silent MPs in our parliament.There was quite a few who has not uttered a single world inside the parliament(means they have not made any statement or asked any questions) in the last 5 years.
Among those silent MPs,2 persons whom I noted with interest are :Hindi film actor Dharmendra,Kannada actor M H Ambareesh.
Dharmendra,the Bikaner MP,who is famous for his weighty dialogues in movies, didn't speak a word in Parliament in five years.
M H Ambareesh, a former Union Minister and Congress MP from Mandya in Karnataka, didn’t have anything to say too.
I do remember reading an article some time back about people in the Bikaner constituency complaning about the utter lack of interest shown by Dharmendra towards his constituency.They were utterly disappointed with him that they even put up notices in some places in the constituency saying Dharmendra is missing..!!
These instances should be an eye opener to political parties,if they ever care for the Country.
Thursday, February 26, 2009
How TCS is Planning to Take on Recession
TCS to increase work hours from 40 to 45 per week
Source : Moneycontrol.com
After resorting to cutting travel and other expenses, Asia's largest software company TCS is making its employees work harder to counter the slowdown.
Speaking in Kolkata, TCS's HR Head told CNBC-TV18 that work hours will be increased to 45 hours a week from 40 hours earlier. Meanwhile, TCS CEO S Ramadorai said the company will move to just-in-time hiring.
Ramadorai said, “With regard to going to the campuses for the recruitment for the next season, namely, for the people who will be coming on board from 2010 onwards, there we have very clearly said that we will not come in the fifth semester as we used to go." He added, "But we will delay it to come closer to the graduation day when they come out. So that the demand projection should become a lot clearer.”
TCS to review variable pay; employees to work more
Source:Business Standard
In a clear admission that it is facing hard times, India’s largest software exporter Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) said it plans to review the variable component of employees' salaries in an attempt to cut costs.
Variable pay account for 20 to 35 per cent of TCS employees' gross salary, depending on their hierarchy.
“We are trying to reduce costs. Currently our largest expenditure -- around 54 per cent of our revenues -- is manpower cost and employee salaries. We are not contemplating a pay reduction. But we are reviewing the employee variable pay," CEO and MD S Ramadorai told reporters here today.All employees, from trainee to the senior-most manager, get variable pay.
"We are also increasing employee working hours from 40 hours a week to 45 hours a week, with effect from April 1,” he added.
The company may also defer absorbing nearly 24,500 campus recruits, scheduled to join in June.
Their salaries may also be revised, said Ramadorai.
According to analysts, a 10 per cent increase in working hours could add half a million billable hours for TCS alone, given that over 55 per cent of the company's contracts were the Time & Material variety.
The Rs 35,000-crore TCS also expects flat or lower Q4 results because its US clients have started pressuring the company for a reduction in price ranging from 4 to 15 per cent. "Q4 results will either be the same as third quarter or may see a dip,” Ramadorai indicated.
The company also plans to delay infrastructure and new projects to save costs. "TCS will also reduce spending on infrastructure. To this effect, capital expenditure of TCS in the next financial year will be less than Rs 1,400 crore announced for 2008-09,” Ramadorai said.
The company has reportedly laid off over 100 emloyees in the UK. “A lot of our work is on contract. Also, we retain employees, especially the ones on probation, on performance, and if their performance is not up to the mark, we ask them to leave. Although I am not sure why the employees in the UK were asked to leave, two of the reasons could be that their contracts ended or or bad performance. Going forward, a lot of emphasis this year will be on employee efficiency,” Ramadorai said.
“We are also focusing on more offshore projects right now to cope effectively with the recession by moving more roles and delivery functions to offshore locations such as India,” Ramadorai added.
TCS serves customers such as British Airways, BT and United Utilities in the UK. The company has around 4,800 professionals working at almost 65 customer sites in the UK and Ireland.
“In the last nine months, TCS has hired 30,000 people. For now, we have frozen our lateral hiring and may look at laying off employees if the situation does not improve. Currently, we have around 1,30,000 employees on our pay roll,” Ramadorai added.
TCS to increase working hours, may freeze variable pay
Source:Economic Times
It’s official now. Tata Consultancy Services (TCS), the country’s biggest software company in terms of sales, may freeze variable pay to its over 1 lakh employees as part of a string of cost-management initiatives to cope with the pangs of the global meltdown. The company has also decided to increase employee working hours from April 1, 2009, to 45 hours per week from the present 40 hours that every TCSer needs to clock each week. This was indicated by TCS chief executive officer & managing director S. Ramadorai here on on Thursday.
"In a bid to rein in total manpower costs and spruce up employee efficiency and productivity levels, TCS will take a relook at its performance-linked variable pay practices. Variable compensation payout accounts for 7.5-to-8% of our revenues and this will now be reviewed," said Mr Ramadorai. Manpower costs account for 53% of TCS’s total costs.
Elaborating on other initiaitives to beef up internal efficiences, Mr Ramadorai also confirmed that TCS is increasing employee working hours to 45 hours a week from the present 40 hours per week level. "We believe the additional five hours can be effectively used to upgrade employee skills wherever necessary," said Mr Ramadorai.
Incidentally, the variable component of a TCS employee’s salary is linked to the performance of the company, the business unit of the individual and the individual’s performance. At present, it ranges between 20-to-35% of an employee’s gross salary. Comprising of distinct `company’ and `employee’ components, the variable allowance payment to each TCS employee happens on quarterly and monthly basis respectively, said a TCS official. More importantly, the variable pay increases with seniority.
The latest developments come at a time when TCS is under increasing pressure from global clients to reduce its cost of service delivery and is even losing clients who are trying to drive a hard bargain. "I cannot share client specifics. But it’s true that we have lost some clients. One client, for instance, demanded a 70% discount which was simply unsustainable," said Mr Ramadorai, in response to a specific query.
Dwelling on TCS’s plans to unlock internal efficiencies in times when the company was experiencing muted growth, Mr Ramadorai said: "Our capex was at Rs 1400 crore in 2008-09. You can now expect our future infrastructure-related spends to either get delayed or reduced. They will be rationalised based on real-time decisions once we take a call on the infrastructure budgets for the next fiscal.
TCS managing director S. Ramadorai, however, is unwilling to confirm whether the company’s Rajarhat software campus rollout will hit a roadblock in the backdrop of the company’s decision to cutback future infrastructure-related spends.
Source : Moneycontrol.com
After resorting to cutting travel and other expenses, Asia's largest software company TCS is making its employees work harder to counter the slowdown.
Speaking in Kolkata, TCS's HR Head told CNBC-TV18 that work hours will be increased to 45 hours a week from 40 hours earlier. Meanwhile, TCS CEO S Ramadorai said the company will move to just-in-time hiring.
Ramadorai said, “With regard to going to the campuses for the recruitment for the next season, namely, for the people who will be coming on board from 2010 onwards, there we have very clearly said that we will not come in the fifth semester as we used to go." He added, "But we will delay it to come closer to the graduation day when they come out. So that the demand projection should become a lot clearer.”
TCS to review variable pay; employees to work more
Source:Business Standard
In a clear admission that it is facing hard times, India’s largest software exporter Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) said it plans to review the variable component of employees' salaries in an attempt to cut costs.
Variable pay account for 20 to 35 per cent of TCS employees' gross salary, depending on their hierarchy.
“We are trying to reduce costs. Currently our largest expenditure -- around 54 per cent of our revenues -- is manpower cost and employee salaries. We are not contemplating a pay reduction. But we are reviewing the employee variable pay," CEO and MD S Ramadorai told reporters here today.All employees, from trainee to the senior-most manager, get variable pay.
"We are also increasing employee working hours from 40 hours a week to 45 hours a week, with effect from April 1,” he added.
The company may also defer absorbing nearly 24,500 campus recruits, scheduled to join in June.
Their salaries may also be revised, said Ramadorai.
According to analysts, a 10 per cent increase in working hours could add half a million billable hours for TCS alone, given that over 55 per cent of the company's contracts were the Time & Material variety.
The Rs 35,000-crore TCS also expects flat or lower Q4 results because its US clients have started pressuring the company for a reduction in price ranging from 4 to 15 per cent. "Q4 results will either be the same as third quarter or may see a dip,” Ramadorai indicated.
The company also plans to delay infrastructure and new projects to save costs. "TCS will also reduce spending on infrastructure. To this effect, capital expenditure of TCS in the next financial year will be less than Rs 1,400 crore announced for 2008-09,” Ramadorai said.
The company has reportedly laid off over 100 emloyees in the UK. “A lot of our work is on contract. Also, we retain employees, especially the ones on probation, on performance, and if their performance is not up to the mark, we ask them to leave. Although I am not sure why the employees in the UK were asked to leave, two of the reasons could be that their contracts ended or or bad performance. Going forward, a lot of emphasis this year will be on employee efficiency,” Ramadorai said.
“We are also focusing on more offshore projects right now to cope effectively with the recession by moving more roles and delivery functions to offshore locations such as India,” Ramadorai added.
TCS serves customers such as British Airways, BT and United Utilities in the UK. The company has around 4,800 professionals working at almost 65 customer sites in the UK and Ireland.
“In the last nine months, TCS has hired 30,000 people. For now, we have frozen our lateral hiring and may look at laying off employees if the situation does not improve. Currently, we have around 1,30,000 employees on our pay roll,” Ramadorai added.
TCS to increase working hours, may freeze variable pay
Source:Economic Times
It’s official now. Tata Consultancy Services (TCS), the country’s biggest software company in terms of sales, may freeze variable pay to its over 1 lakh employees as part of a string of cost-management initiatives to cope with the pangs of the global meltdown. The company has also decided to increase employee working hours from April 1, 2009, to 45 hours per week from the present 40 hours that every TCSer needs to clock each week. This was indicated by TCS chief executive officer & managing director S. Ramadorai here on on Thursday.
"In a bid to rein in total manpower costs and spruce up employee efficiency and productivity levels, TCS will take a relook at its performance-linked variable pay practices. Variable compensation payout accounts for 7.5-to-8% of our revenues and this will now be reviewed," said Mr Ramadorai. Manpower costs account for 53% of TCS’s total costs.
Elaborating on other initiaitives to beef up internal efficiences, Mr Ramadorai also confirmed that TCS is increasing employee working hours to 45 hours a week from the present 40 hours per week level. "We believe the additional five hours can be effectively used to upgrade employee skills wherever necessary," said Mr Ramadorai.
Incidentally, the variable component of a TCS employee’s salary is linked to the performance of the company, the business unit of the individual and the individual’s performance. At present, it ranges between 20-to-35% of an employee’s gross salary. Comprising of distinct `company’ and `employee’ components, the variable allowance payment to each TCS employee happens on quarterly and monthly basis respectively, said a TCS official. More importantly, the variable pay increases with seniority.
The latest developments come at a time when TCS is under increasing pressure from global clients to reduce its cost of service delivery and is even losing clients who are trying to drive a hard bargain. "I cannot share client specifics. But it’s true that we have lost some clients. One client, for instance, demanded a 70% discount which was simply unsustainable," said Mr Ramadorai, in response to a specific query.
Dwelling on TCS’s plans to unlock internal efficiencies in times when the company was experiencing muted growth, Mr Ramadorai said: "Our capex was at Rs 1400 crore in 2008-09. You can now expect our future infrastructure-related spends to either get delayed or reduced. They will be rationalised based on real-time decisions once we take a call on the infrastructure budgets for the next fiscal.
TCS managing director S. Ramadorai, however, is unwilling to confirm whether the company’s Rajarhat software campus rollout will hit a roadblock in the backdrop of the company’s decision to cutback future infrastructure-related spends.
BJP legislator calls RJD member a pakistani
The Bihar assembly Wednesday witnessed unruly scenes after a Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) legislator called Rashtriya Janata Dal (RJD) member Shakeel Ahmad Khan a "Pakistani".
Ramadhar Singh made the offensive remark during a discussion over the state budget after Khan and some of his party colleagues hit out at BJP leader L.K. Advani.
"Ramadhar Singh then told Khan that he had no right to say anything (about Advani) because he is a Pakistani," RJD legislator Shyam Rajak told IANS.
News report courtesy msn.
It's really shocking that India's main opposition party is having such 'absolute idiots' in its ranks.India has millions of Muslims.Ramadhar Singh's statement is a sure recipe for disaster.Even though it's well known that BJP's politics is communal,such blatant and ugly show of communalism is unbelievable.How on earth Mr Ramadhar is calling an Indian as a pakistani??He thinks nobody should criticize Advani.Hooo....Is Mr.Advani above criticism?ABSOLUTELY NOT.
People with such loose and utterly foolish tounge are deadly dangerous for our Country.BJP talks about making India strong.Is this one way of doing it?If Indian Muslims are being called pakistanis,will it strengthen India??
One should first of all learn to respect fellow countrymen.
If this is not BJP's party line,hope some senior partymen or spokesmen condemn this statement in the strongest possible terms.
Ramadhar Singh made the offensive remark during a discussion over the state budget after Khan and some of his party colleagues hit out at BJP leader L.K. Advani.
"Ramadhar Singh then told Khan that he had no right to say anything (about Advani) because he is a Pakistani," RJD legislator Shyam Rajak told IANS.
News report courtesy msn.
It's really shocking that India's main opposition party is having such 'absolute idiots' in its ranks.India has millions of Muslims.Ramadhar Singh's statement is a sure recipe for disaster.Even though it's well known that BJP's politics is communal,such blatant and ugly show of communalism is unbelievable.How on earth Mr Ramadhar is calling an Indian as a pakistani??He thinks nobody should criticize Advani.Hooo....Is Mr.Advani above criticism?ABSOLUTELY NOT.
People with such loose and utterly foolish tounge are deadly dangerous for our Country.BJP talks about making India strong.Is this one way of doing it?If Indian Muslims are being called pakistanis,will it strengthen India??
One should first of all learn to respect fellow countrymen.
If this is not BJP's party line,hope some senior partymen or spokesmen condemn this statement in the strongest possible terms.
Tuesday, February 24, 2009
Hamare paas Rahman hai
In his oscar award acceptance speech Rahman said 'Mere paas ma hai'.Actually this is what Rahman said -
Before coming, I was excited and terrified. The last time I felt like that was during my marriage. There's a dialogue from a Hindi film called "Mere paas ma hai," which means "I have nothing but I have a mother," so mother's here, her blessings are there with me. I am grateful for her to have come all the way. And I want to thank the Academy for being so kind, all the jury members. I want to thank Sam Schwartz, I/D PR, all the crew of Slumdog, Mr Gulzar , Raqueeb Alam, Blaaze, my musicians in Chennai and Mumbai. And I want to tell something in Tamil, which says, which I normally say after every award which is... "God is great." Thank you.
We all Indians can say Hamare paas Rahman Hai..
At this moment of rare glory and triumph for our dear Rahman,a word of caution may not be out of place.He should not think that he has achieved enough.Should continue to strive for excellence.For Rahman,sky is the limit now.Infact,he should be more careful in his work now,because he is now a global phenomenon,a global star and many more people around the globe will be keenly following him and he should not let them down.
He is a rare gem like Tendulkar is to India Cricket and we should be really really proud of having such a greatly talented & humble Musician amongst our midst.We can all say loudly,proudly,sweetly that he is an Indian and that we r proud of him.
8 awards,almost a sweep.That's what slumdog millionaire has done at the Oscar.2 Indians won the Oscar.36-year-old Resul Pookutty,from Kerala for best sound mixing.
43 year-old A.R.Rahman won 2 oscars for his music in the film.Congrats also to Smile Pinki (the documentary about Pinki Kumari).
Resul Pookutty's acceptance speech at the Oscars:
'This is unbelievable. We can't believe this. Ladies and gentlemen... sorry... I share the stage with two magicians, you know, who created the very ordinary sounds of Bombay, the cacophony of Bombay, into a soul-stirring, artful resonance called Slumdog Millionaire.
I come from a country and a civilization that given the universal word. That word is preceded by silence, followed by more silence. That word is 'Om.' So I dedicate this award to my country. Thank you, Academy, this is not just a sound award, this is history being handed over to me. My sincere and deepest gratitude to my teachers, Danny Boyle , Christian Colson, Paul Ritchie, Pravesh... and everybody who has contributed to this film, Glenn Freemantle and all the sound mixers. I dedicate this to you guys. Thank you, Academy. Thank you very much.'
Morning while watching the live show of the Oscars,I was soo happy to see the joy and excitement of his relatives,neighbours,when he won the award.Resul would have been very happy to see it.I guess,it would be a really nice feeling to see near and dear ones and the Country as a whole celebrating some thing that you achieve after putting in a lot of hardwork.I especially liked him dedicating the award to the Nation.
Even though I don't like the name 'slumDOG',it's really good that a film based on a story written by an Indian Diplomat Vikas Swarup,and having the full cast and many techicians as Indians made it so big at the oscars.
I am a big admirer of Rahman,but honestly speaking,I don't think the music of slumdog millinaire is amongst the top ten albums of A.R.Rahman.Songs in films like Roja,Bombay,Taal,Dil se,Rang De Basanth,Lagaan etc,were far far better.Still it's good to win an Oscar,you know.
Some people in India has critized the film saying it showed Mumbai's vulnerable underbelly.May be they have a point there,a really valid point.But then slums as shown in the film do exist,and there is nothing to gain by hiding unfortunate facts.I have not yet seen the film.I do plan to watch it very soon.So as of now I would not like to comment on whether it portrays India in a bad light.I believe it's not.
One thing I want to say is ,I am quite sure A.R.Rahman and Gulzar will not allow themselves to be part of a film which shows India in a bad light and shows distorted facts.And to add to this,to those who are saying that the film is in bad taste ,I want to ask them whether films made in India shows only good things about our Country?
In every society there are good and bad things,there are bitter truths,unfortunate happenings.But there is nothing to hide.Just a film.And if such a film makes people think and if they do some thing to improve the lot of the poor people living in the slums,then that's the best thing the people who criticize can do.Just see what change the film has done to the lives of those boys and girls who acted in the film.
Also I read in a website, Bollywood composer Aadesh Srivastava saying that he is embarrassed to walk on the streets of the US after Oscar-nominated 'Slumdog Millionaire' because 'they have started calling Indians slumdogs'.
What I want to say to Aadesh is,'just ignore it man.Do you bark at a dog that barks at you? No.right.Then what's your problem.If you are ashamed of the slums in Mumbai and other cities in India,do some thing to uplift the life of those slum dwellers.'
As A.R.Rahman said,look at the positive side of the film.Rahman says the film is about hope,about achievement of ones dream.And ultimately,as I mentioned above,it's just a film.Just view the oscar sweep by Slumdog Millianaire as a door that got opened for Indians.
Some people might ask,why this fuss about the Oscars..
Well,atleast think this way.It's a stage were the best compete and so it's worth participating..!
To Aadesh and those who think that the film tarnished India's image,I want to say only this.India is too big man.One film or thousand films like this won't affect India.India is India.The world knows about India,India's beauty,India's capabilities,India's stunning DIVERSITY,even though I would say we are still a 'sleeping giant'.We have not realised even 10% of our real potential.
If any outsider ever thinks,after watching the film,that India is only about slums,then hope he 'get well soon'.Just leave that sick man alone.
India does not need any certificate of what India is from any outsiders.
Well,I know that I have deviated a lot from my post subject,which is about A.R.Rahman@the_oscar.But then it's also important to try and present the facts.May be I have not achieved in what I tried to say.But then,I can atleast have the satisfaction that I did try.
Now to wind up this,I just want to say 'Jai Ho' to ARRAHMAN & Resul and 'Jai Hind' to our Great Nation...
Before coming, I was excited and terrified. The last time I felt like that was during my marriage. There's a dialogue from a Hindi film called "Mere paas ma hai," which means "I have nothing but I have a mother," so mother's here, her blessings are there with me. I am grateful for her to have come all the way. And I want to thank the Academy for being so kind, all the jury members. I want to thank Sam Schwartz, I/D PR, all the crew of Slumdog, Mr Gulzar , Raqueeb Alam, Blaaze, my musicians in Chennai and Mumbai. And I want to tell something in Tamil, which says, which I normally say after every award which is... "God is great." Thank you.
We all Indians can say Hamare paas Rahman Hai..
At this moment of rare glory and triumph for our dear Rahman,a word of caution may not be out of place.He should not think that he has achieved enough.Should continue to strive for excellence.For Rahman,sky is the limit now.Infact,he should be more careful in his work now,because he is now a global phenomenon,a global star and many more people around the globe will be keenly following him and he should not let them down.
He is a rare gem like Tendulkar is to India Cricket and we should be really really proud of having such a greatly talented & humble Musician amongst our midst.We can all say loudly,proudly,sweetly that he is an Indian and that we r proud of him.
8 awards,almost a sweep.That's what slumdog millionaire has done at the Oscar.2 Indians won the Oscar.36-year-old Resul Pookutty,from Kerala for best sound mixing.
43 year-old A.R.Rahman won 2 oscars for his music in the film.Congrats also to Smile Pinki (the documentary about Pinki Kumari).
Resul Pookutty's acceptance speech at the Oscars:
'This is unbelievable. We can't believe this. Ladies and gentlemen... sorry... I share the stage with two magicians, you know, who created the very ordinary sounds of Bombay, the cacophony of Bombay, into a soul-stirring, artful resonance called Slumdog Millionaire.
I come from a country and a civilization that given the universal word. That word is preceded by silence, followed by more silence. That word is 'Om.' So I dedicate this award to my country. Thank you, Academy, this is not just a sound award, this is history being handed over to me. My sincere and deepest gratitude to my teachers, Danny Boyle , Christian Colson, Paul Ritchie, Pravesh... and everybody who has contributed to this film, Glenn Freemantle and all the sound mixers. I dedicate this to you guys. Thank you, Academy. Thank you very much.'
Morning while watching the live show of the Oscars,I was soo happy to see the joy and excitement of his relatives,neighbours,when he won the award.Resul would have been very happy to see it.I guess,it would be a really nice feeling to see near and dear ones and the Country as a whole celebrating some thing that you achieve after putting in a lot of hardwork.I especially liked him dedicating the award to the Nation.
Even though I don't like the name 'slumDOG',it's really good that a film based on a story written by an Indian Diplomat Vikas Swarup,and having the full cast and many techicians as Indians made it so big at the oscars.
I am a big admirer of Rahman,but honestly speaking,I don't think the music of slumdog millinaire is amongst the top ten albums of A.R.Rahman.Songs in films like Roja,Bombay,Taal,Dil se,Rang De Basanth,Lagaan etc,were far far better.Still it's good to win an Oscar,you know.
Some people in India has critized the film saying it showed Mumbai's vulnerable underbelly.May be they have a point there,a really valid point.But then slums as shown in the film do exist,and there is nothing to gain by hiding unfortunate facts.I have not yet seen the film.I do plan to watch it very soon.So as of now I would not like to comment on whether it portrays India in a bad light.I believe it's not.
One thing I want to say is ,I am quite sure A.R.Rahman and Gulzar will not allow themselves to be part of a film which shows India in a bad light and shows distorted facts.And to add to this,to those who are saying that the film is in bad taste ,I want to ask them whether films made in India shows only good things about our Country?
In every society there are good and bad things,there are bitter truths,unfortunate happenings.But there is nothing to hide.Just a film.And if such a film makes people think and if they do some thing to improve the lot of the poor people living in the slums,then that's the best thing the people who criticize can do.Just see what change the film has done to the lives of those boys and girls who acted in the film.
Also I read in a website, Bollywood composer Aadesh Srivastava saying that he is embarrassed to walk on the streets of the US after Oscar-nominated 'Slumdog Millionaire' because 'they have started calling Indians slumdogs'.
What I want to say to Aadesh is,'just ignore it man.Do you bark at a dog that barks at you? No.right.Then what's your problem.If you are ashamed of the slums in Mumbai and other cities in India,do some thing to uplift the life of those slum dwellers.'
As A.R.Rahman said,look at the positive side of the film.Rahman says the film is about hope,about achievement of ones dream.And ultimately,as I mentioned above,it's just a film.Just view the oscar sweep by Slumdog Millianaire as a door that got opened for Indians.
Some people might ask,why this fuss about the Oscars..
Well,atleast think this way.It's a stage were the best compete and so it's worth participating..!
To Aadesh and those who think that the film tarnished India's image,I want to say only this.India is too big man.One film or thousand films like this won't affect India.India is India.The world knows about India,India's beauty,India's capabilities,India's stunning DIVERSITY,even though I would say we are still a 'sleeping giant'.We have not realised even 10% of our real potential.
If any outsider ever thinks,after watching the film,that India is only about slums,then hope he 'get well soon'.Just leave that sick man alone.
India does not need any certificate of what India is from any outsiders.
Well,I know that I have deviated a lot from my post subject,which is about A.R.Rahman@the_oscar.But then it's also important to try and present the facts.May be I have not achieved in what I tried to say.But then,I can atleast have the satisfaction that I did try.
Now to wind up this,I just want to say 'Jai Ho' to ARRAHMAN & Resul and 'Jai Hind' to our Great Nation...
Sunday, February 22, 2009
The Legendary Indian Soldier Chuni Lal
The following tribute is reproduced from the website rediff.com.
I am reproducing it here for the benefit of those who missed reading it earlier.This is worth reading.It's such an amazing,inspiring article and a tale of exceptional bravery.Let's devote some time for our brave defenders,Defenders of our Nation...
Before he turned 20, Chuni Lal had already won a Sena Medal for bravery on the icy heights of the Siachen glacier. At 21,153 feet, the Siachen glacier is the world's highest and toughest battlefield. To get a sense of the height and what super human effort it must take to fight a battle there, the post that he fought to recapture was just 7,875 feet lower than Mount Everest, which is 29,000 feet tall
The young sepoy, just two years into the army, had volunteered to be a part of the operation led by the indomitable Naib Subedar Bana Singh, one of India's greatest living heroes, who himself won the Param Vir Chakra, the country's highest gallantry award for that operation.
Chuni Lal was a member of Bana Singh's team, which had the task of clearing Pakistani intruders from the post, which was almost an unbreachable glacier fortress with 1,500 feet high walls of ice on both sides. In extremely difficult circumstances, the men led by Bana Singh crawled from trench to trench and cleared the post of all infiltrators.
Twenty years after that feat of courage, by June 2007, Naib Subedar Chuni Lal had won three gallantry awards and was amongst the most highly decorated soldiers of the Indian Army.
The man from Jammu and Kashmir's Bhaderwah in Doda district -- once the hotbed of militancy -- Chuni Lal's medals and his valour are the stuff of legend. In 1999 he was awarded the Vir Chakra -- the third highest bravery award for fighting back Pakistani infiltrators in Poonch and was instrumental in killing 12 intruders as the post commander.
He also did two stints with the United Nations Peace Keeping Force in Somalia and Sudan. His team's courage under fire in Sudan won them a UN citation for valour, the only Indian battalion to be so honoured.
On June 24, 2007, Chuni Lal proved -- yet again -- what made him such an exceptional soldier. Commanding his post in Kupwara, Jammu and Kashmir, at 14,000 feet with a visibility of just 5 metres and a temperature measuring minus 5 degrees, he detected some movement across the fence from the Line of Control. He quickly deployed his soldiers to stop anyone from crossing the LoC.
At 3.30 am the Indian soldiers heard some noise on the fence and challenged it. A volley of Kalishnikov fire greeted the Indian inquiry. The exchange of fire continued for almost an hour, the soldiers surrounded the whole area and searched for the terrorists till daylight broke. On finding nobody, they made way to the last remaining bushy patch -- as they approached closer, to ensure no one had crossed the fence, they were fired upon.
Chuni Lal along with his men continued to close on to the area where the terrorists were hiding and killed two of them on the spot. In the gunfire two soldiers were badly injured and lay precariously close to where the terrorists were. Risking his life Chuni Lal crawled towards them, pulled his men to safety and saved their lives. Then he took charge of the search party again.
He started searching the area, anticipating another hidden terrorist -- his hunch proved right and he saw a third terrorist trying to escape. Chuni Lal charged at him with his weapon, killing him. Unfortunately, the terrorist�s bullet tore his abdomen and left him bleeding profusely.
Unmindful of his grievous injury he took cover behind a boulder, continued firing and did not allow the other terrorists to break the cordon. Under his leadership the two remaining terrorists were also killed. At the end of the operation, five terrorists had been killed and a large amount of ammunition was recovered.
Chuni Lal had lost a lot of blood and by the time a helicopter could airlift him to hospital, the brave soldier had passed into the ages. For his exemplary courage and leadership, Naib Subedar Chuni Lal, who was not even 40 when he died, was awarded the Ashok Chakra, which is equivalent to the Param Vir Chakra, the highest award for bravery.
His rare courage will enhance the annals of Indian military history. The evening before the President of India was to present the award to his grieving wife, his commanding officer and family revealed what made him such an extraordinary soldier and why we should all be grateful to him.
Colonel Ram Pratap Singh, Commanding Officer, 8 Jammu & Kashmir Light Infantry talks about Chuni Lal :
What set him apart as a soldier:
If there was one quality that marked Chuni Lal as a soldier -- it was daredevilry. When bullets were flying around him he said he would lead from the front. Naib Subedar Chunilal was the rarest of the rare in the army. It was not a chance incident where he showed his bravery.
Bravery and valour were in his blood. This is no exaggeration because every time he got an opportunity, he made the best use of it.
He never allowed his subordinates to go ahead of him in danger. Even in this operation, he pulled back one soldier, saying -- 'I am the commander, let me go first.' That kind of ethos and mental attitude is not seen in the real sense.
He was 17 years old when he joined the battalion in 1985. I have seen him grow from one rank to the other. He was dashing, took a lot of initiative, had team spirit and the courage of conviction. He excelled in all military subjects.
Just two years after joining service he got an opportunity to be part of an operation with Subedar Bana Singh in 1987. He volunteered to go into that operation where the post was recaptured and renamed Bana Top. He was the first few to reach that post along with Bana Singh and received a Sena Medal.
In 1999 -- when the unit was deployed in Poonch, there was an attempted intrusion and he fought back. As the post commander, he synchronised the firing and deployment -- 12 infiltrators were killed and he was awarded the Vir Chakra. So before the Ashok Chakra, he was already a twice decorated soldier.
He was a very fit man and served as an instructor at the NCC Officers Academy, Kamptee, Madhya Pradesh. He used to always come first in the battle physical efficiency test.
His stint in Sudan:
He represented the Indian Army in Sudan in 2006 as a United Nations Peacekeeper and displayed devotion to duty while serving in the difficult operational situation in Sudan. We were tasked to set up the initial mission there. There were terrain and climatic challenges and we were tasked to move the entire store from India to Sudan and establish the team site.
There was a crisis between the Sudan Armed Forces and the Sudan People's Liberation Army. Both the forces took out their tanks and guns and started firing and we with the blue berets were required to calm them down. It was successfully carried out by the Indian contingent. Within 7 days it was calmed down. The unit carried out the humanitarian operation, the relief operation and the evacuation of UN officials out of that location to a safe place.
For this the battalion was awarded the United Nations Unit Citation for valour. We are the only battalion to receive a citation from the UN. It is a very rare accomplishment.
What it takes to guard the Line of Control:
After Sudan we moved to Kupwara. On the LoC, small teams of men are deployed within an area of responsibility; they are supposed to look after that place. Naib Subedar Chuni Lal was the post commander, responsible for those troops.
When he deployed himself and the firing began in the operation, soldiers from neighbouring posts were moved to assist them in eliminating the terrorists. So initially it started with a small group which got built to a larger group where the commanding officer, the company commander, played an important role but Chuni Lal was the man in focus. Under the guidance of the commanding officer and senior officers, the operations were modified on the ground so that we were able to attain the goal.
Chuni Lal was our only unfortunate loss.
Chuni Lal belonged to the most decorated battalion of the Indian Army.
The 8 J&K Light Infantry is the highest decorated battalion in the Indian Army today with 252 bravery awards after Independence. Around 25 per cent of the bravery award winners are still in the battalion.
We call this battalion born in battle and purified in blood -- because this battalion was raised on December 18, 1947 in response to a call by the civil population to check the ingress of Kabailis in Poonch. It saved Poonch from falling into their hands.
In the 1971 war, it was the only battalion which could hold on to its defences west of Munawar Tawi in the Chamb sector despite all odds. Today it is the only location with us on the west of Munawar. For this the battalion was given the battle honours of Laleali and Piquet 707 and the division got theatre honours for the action of this battalion.
In 1987, this is the only battalion that has captured the highest battlefield in the world at a height of 21,153 feet. It requires nerves of steel to be deployed, move, attack, capture and survive at that position. During that operation Bana Singh got the Param Vir Chakra, we also got a Mahavir Chakra in that operation for Subedar Sansar Chand, 7 Vir Chakras, 10 Sena Medals and 70 commendation cards. Nobody has got so many awards in a single operation. That is history in itself.
After we were deployed in Poonch between 1998 and 2001, a number of operations took place. This is the only battalion that has the record of killing the maximum number of terrorists in one tenure at the LoC -- 106 terrorists. For its sterling performance, the battalion was awarded the Chief of Army Staff's unit citation in 2001.
Do bravery award winners get out of turn promotions?
There are no out of turn promotions. An award is given to an individual according to a particular act of bravery, which has its own advantages when he gets considered for his next rank. But he has to fulfill those qualitative requirements to get promoted to the next rank and awards help in getting extra points.
Whenever Subedar Bana Singh picked his next rank, his PVC played an important role, he did not get an out of turn promotion. He had made the nation, the regiment, and the battalion proud. For a Junior Commissioned Officer to become Naib Subedar, you have to be master of many trades. You should be able to lead the troops, to set an example, to guide them, be good at man management and crisis management.
Gallantry award winners are not kept out of operations just because they have won medals earlier. Our battalion has won so many awards that everyone is treated on par.
Do officers value the experience and expertise of the JCOs and men?
Yes, yes when a young officer gets commissioned and meets Subedar Bana Singh, it is a matter of pride. It's a matter of learning when Bana Singh narrates to him how he won the PVC. Though you (an officer) may be highly qualified but from the experience point of view, you may not get that experience, exposure (on the battlefield).
A death that glorifies is a better death
Fear of life and death persists in every individual. We have to choose what kind of death we want to achieve. I may die in a driving accident and no one will know of me and my family. Is that the kind of death I would like? I don't think so.
You give your life for the country, the country recognises you. Eight hundred people from the battalion are there with your family. You are glorified, your family gets glorified, your battalion, regiment, the nation gets glorified. A death that glorifies you, that enhances your name, your family, the nation, the battalion, regiment, I think that's a better choice.
What happens to the family of this decorated soldier?
Chuni Lal's son Manveer, 16, is in class X. After this we will shift him and the family to Jammu. Give his wife accommodation in the Divisional War Widows Hostel, Jammu and get Manveer admitted to the Army Public School, Kaluchak. The battalion will be monitoring the education very closely and arrange for some coaching classes for the National Defence Academy -- we all want to see him as an officer in the battalion. We will feel very happy if he commands the battalion one day.
His daughters -- Arti, 11 and Manju, 9 -- are in school. When the family shifts to Jammu, we will get them admitted in a primary school in the cantonment. The girls also want to join the army -- if everything is fine we will try for the Officers Training Academy for them.
His wife will get a lump sum of around 25-30 lakhs, but how long will she get through with that money?
How can you help the family:
His wife needs a regular source of income, if people could think about that and help her in providing a regular source of income. There is a welfare and settlement directorate of the Army which looks into this, like providing gas agency, petrol pumps -- the procedures are there and we're trying to look for a vacancy and get one.
Army Wives Welfare Association is also going to help -- those who want to help should write to AWWA or the Welfare and Resettlement directorate at Army HQ and mention the lady and that we want to help her out.
The government, battalion and regiment help but if everybody starts helping the family that is the strength one is looking for -- any army in the world cannot win a war if the population is not with them. If we all start joining hands and start looking after the soldiers, that is the sort of security everybody is looking for, that's the ideal situation one is looking for in this country.
Chinta Devi, Naib Subedar Chuni Lal's widow:
My husband loved the army. He always looked forward to going back after the end of his holidays. He used to come once a year for a month or so. He had always wanted to be a soldier and used to tell me about his life serving on the border.
My loss is immense but I know he did such a great task for the country. Everyone in my village speaks so highly of him, they all say he was such a brave man. He truly was.
My son wants to join the army as an officer. He has to live up to his father's name. My son says � 'Mujhe daddy ka badla lena hain' (I want to avenge my father's death). My husband also wanted my son to join the army. I am not scared that my son could face the same fate, because his father wanted him to join the army. That was his wish.
I was married to him for 20 years and now that he has gone I have to live for my children, their studies and their lives.
I get a pension of Rs 15,000 every month and have received around Rs 15 lakh compensation from the government. They say the remaining money will come to me in a few months. It would be nice if the government could sanction a gas agency or petrol pump to us, it would be of help to us.
The people of his regiment have helped us very much and remember us. But only I know what my grief is.
Manveer Singh, Naib Subedar Chuni Lal's son:
I was at home when the news of my father's death reached us. He was a very brave man. Everyone says that. I want to join the army and become an infantry officer. I want to go to the National Defence Academy.
I have always wanted to join the army. I am not scared. I have my father's example before me but it is sad that he will not be there from now on. I want to do something for this nation. I know it can be dangerous but there are certain things that have to be faced. I just want to make my father proud.
His Near & Dear Before His Memorial.
I am reproducing it here for the benefit of those who missed reading it earlier.This is worth reading.It's such an amazing,inspiring article and a tale of exceptional bravery.Let's devote some time for our brave defenders,Defenders of our Nation...
Before he turned 20, Chuni Lal had already won a Sena Medal for bravery on the icy heights of the Siachen glacier. At 21,153 feet, the Siachen glacier is the world's highest and toughest battlefield. To get a sense of the height and what super human effort it must take to fight a battle there, the post that he fought to recapture was just 7,875 feet lower than Mount Everest, which is 29,000 feet tall
The young sepoy, just two years into the army, had volunteered to be a part of the operation led by the indomitable Naib Subedar Bana Singh, one of India's greatest living heroes, who himself won the Param Vir Chakra, the country's highest gallantry award for that operation.
Chuni Lal was a member of Bana Singh's team, which had the task of clearing Pakistani intruders from the post, which was almost an unbreachable glacier fortress with 1,500 feet high walls of ice on both sides. In extremely difficult circumstances, the men led by Bana Singh crawled from trench to trench and cleared the post of all infiltrators.
Twenty years after that feat of courage, by June 2007, Naib Subedar Chuni Lal had won three gallantry awards and was amongst the most highly decorated soldiers of the Indian Army.
The man from Jammu and Kashmir's Bhaderwah in Doda district -- once the hotbed of militancy -- Chuni Lal's medals and his valour are the stuff of legend. In 1999 he was awarded the Vir Chakra -- the third highest bravery award for fighting back Pakistani infiltrators in Poonch and was instrumental in killing 12 intruders as the post commander.
He also did two stints with the United Nations Peace Keeping Force in Somalia and Sudan. His team's courage under fire in Sudan won them a UN citation for valour, the only Indian battalion to be so honoured.
On June 24, 2007, Chuni Lal proved -- yet again -- what made him such an exceptional soldier. Commanding his post in Kupwara, Jammu and Kashmir, at 14,000 feet with a visibility of just 5 metres and a temperature measuring minus 5 degrees, he detected some movement across the fence from the Line of Control. He quickly deployed his soldiers to stop anyone from crossing the LoC.
At 3.30 am the Indian soldiers heard some noise on the fence and challenged it. A volley of Kalishnikov fire greeted the Indian inquiry. The exchange of fire continued for almost an hour, the soldiers surrounded the whole area and searched for the terrorists till daylight broke. On finding nobody, they made way to the last remaining bushy patch -- as they approached closer, to ensure no one had crossed the fence, they were fired upon.
Chuni Lal along with his men continued to close on to the area where the terrorists were hiding and killed two of them on the spot. In the gunfire two soldiers were badly injured and lay precariously close to where the terrorists were. Risking his life Chuni Lal crawled towards them, pulled his men to safety and saved their lives. Then he took charge of the search party again.
He started searching the area, anticipating another hidden terrorist -- his hunch proved right and he saw a third terrorist trying to escape. Chuni Lal charged at him with his weapon, killing him. Unfortunately, the terrorist�s bullet tore his abdomen and left him bleeding profusely.
Unmindful of his grievous injury he took cover behind a boulder, continued firing and did not allow the other terrorists to break the cordon. Under his leadership the two remaining terrorists were also killed. At the end of the operation, five terrorists had been killed and a large amount of ammunition was recovered.
Chuni Lal had lost a lot of blood and by the time a helicopter could airlift him to hospital, the brave soldier had passed into the ages. For his exemplary courage and leadership, Naib Subedar Chuni Lal, who was not even 40 when he died, was awarded the Ashok Chakra, which is equivalent to the Param Vir Chakra, the highest award for bravery.
His rare courage will enhance the annals of Indian military history. The evening before the President of India was to present the award to his grieving wife, his commanding officer and family revealed what made him such an extraordinary soldier and why we should all be grateful to him.
Colonel Ram Pratap Singh, Commanding Officer, 8 Jammu & Kashmir Light Infantry talks about Chuni Lal :
What set him apart as a soldier:
If there was one quality that marked Chuni Lal as a soldier -- it was daredevilry. When bullets were flying around him he said he would lead from the front. Naib Subedar Chunilal was the rarest of the rare in the army. It was not a chance incident where he showed his bravery.
Bravery and valour were in his blood. This is no exaggeration because every time he got an opportunity, he made the best use of it.
He never allowed his subordinates to go ahead of him in danger. Even in this operation, he pulled back one soldier, saying -- 'I am the commander, let me go first.' That kind of ethos and mental attitude is not seen in the real sense.
He was 17 years old when he joined the battalion in 1985. I have seen him grow from one rank to the other. He was dashing, took a lot of initiative, had team spirit and the courage of conviction. He excelled in all military subjects.
Just two years after joining service he got an opportunity to be part of an operation with Subedar Bana Singh in 1987. He volunteered to go into that operation where the post was recaptured and renamed Bana Top. He was the first few to reach that post along with Bana Singh and received a Sena Medal.
In 1999 -- when the unit was deployed in Poonch, there was an attempted intrusion and he fought back. As the post commander, he synchronised the firing and deployment -- 12 infiltrators were killed and he was awarded the Vir Chakra. So before the Ashok Chakra, he was already a twice decorated soldier.
He was a very fit man and served as an instructor at the NCC Officers Academy, Kamptee, Madhya Pradesh. He used to always come first in the battle physical efficiency test.
His stint in Sudan:
He represented the Indian Army in Sudan in 2006 as a United Nations Peacekeeper and displayed devotion to duty while serving in the difficult operational situation in Sudan. We were tasked to set up the initial mission there. There were terrain and climatic challenges and we were tasked to move the entire store from India to Sudan and establish the team site.
There was a crisis between the Sudan Armed Forces and the Sudan People's Liberation Army. Both the forces took out their tanks and guns and started firing and we with the blue berets were required to calm them down. It was successfully carried out by the Indian contingent. Within 7 days it was calmed down. The unit carried out the humanitarian operation, the relief operation and the evacuation of UN officials out of that location to a safe place.
For this the battalion was awarded the United Nations Unit Citation for valour. We are the only battalion to receive a citation from the UN. It is a very rare accomplishment.
What it takes to guard the Line of Control:
After Sudan we moved to Kupwara. On the LoC, small teams of men are deployed within an area of responsibility; they are supposed to look after that place. Naib Subedar Chuni Lal was the post commander, responsible for those troops.
When he deployed himself and the firing began in the operation, soldiers from neighbouring posts were moved to assist them in eliminating the terrorists. So initially it started with a small group which got built to a larger group where the commanding officer, the company commander, played an important role but Chuni Lal was the man in focus. Under the guidance of the commanding officer and senior officers, the operations were modified on the ground so that we were able to attain the goal.
Chuni Lal was our only unfortunate loss.
Chuni Lal belonged to the most decorated battalion of the Indian Army.
The 8 J&K Light Infantry is the highest decorated battalion in the Indian Army today with 252 bravery awards after Independence. Around 25 per cent of the bravery award winners are still in the battalion.
We call this battalion born in battle and purified in blood -- because this battalion was raised on December 18, 1947 in response to a call by the civil population to check the ingress of Kabailis in Poonch. It saved Poonch from falling into their hands.
In the 1971 war, it was the only battalion which could hold on to its defences west of Munawar Tawi in the Chamb sector despite all odds. Today it is the only location with us on the west of Munawar. For this the battalion was given the battle honours of Laleali and Piquet 707 and the division got theatre honours for the action of this battalion.
In 1987, this is the only battalion that has captured the highest battlefield in the world at a height of 21,153 feet. It requires nerves of steel to be deployed, move, attack, capture and survive at that position. During that operation Bana Singh got the Param Vir Chakra, we also got a Mahavir Chakra in that operation for Subedar Sansar Chand, 7 Vir Chakras, 10 Sena Medals and 70 commendation cards. Nobody has got so many awards in a single operation. That is history in itself.
After we were deployed in Poonch between 1998 and 2001, a number of operations took place. This is the only battalion that has the record of killing the maximum number of terrorists in one tenure at the LoC -- 106 terrorists. For its sterling performance, the battalion was awarded the Chief of Army Staff's unit citation in 2001.
Do bravery award winners get out of turn promotions?
There are no out of turn promotions. An award is given to an individual according to a particular act of bravery, which has its own advantages when he gets considered for his next rank. But he has to fulfill those qualitative requirements to get promoted to the next rank and awards help in getting extra points.
Whenever Subedar Bana Singh picked his next rank, his PVC played an important role, he did not get an out of turn promotion. He had made the nation, the regiment, and the battalion proud. For a Junior Commissioned Officer to become Naib Subedar, you have to be master of many trades. You should be able to lead the troops, to set an example, to guide them, be good at man management and crisis management.
Gallantry award winners are not kept out of operations just because they have won medals earlier. Our battalion has won so many awards that everyone is treated on par.
Do officers value the experience and expertise of the JCOs and men?
Yes, yes when a young officer gets commissioned and meets Subedar Bana Singh, it is a matter of pride. It's a matter of learning when Bana Singh narrates to him how he won the PVC. Though you (an officer) may be highly qualified but from the experience point of view, you may not get that experience, exposure (on the battlefield).
A death that glorifies is a better death
Fear of life and death persists in every individual. We have to choose what kind of death we want to achieve. I may die in a driving accident and no one will know of me and my family. Is that the kind of death I would like? I don't think so.
You give your life for the country, the country recognises you. Eight hundred people from the battalion are there with your family. You are glorified, your family gets glorified, your battalion, regiment, the nation gets glorified. A death that glorifies you, that enhances your name, your family, the nation, the battalion, regiment, I think that's a better choice.
What happens to the family of this decorated soldier?
Chuni Lal's son Manveer, 16, is in class X. After this we will shift him and the family to Jammu. Give his wife accommodation in the Divisional War Widows Hostel, Jammu and get Manveer admitted to the Army Public School, Kaluchak. The battalion will be monitoring the education very closely and arrange for some coaching classes for the National Defence Academy -- we all want to see him as an officer in the battalion. We will feel very happy if he commands the battalion one day.
His daughters -- Arti, 11 and Manju, 9 -- are in school. When the family shifts to Jammu, we will get them admitted in a primary school in the cantonment. The girls also want to join the army -- if everything is fine we will try for the Officers Training Academy for them.
His wife will get a lump sum of around 25-30 lakhs, but how long will she get through with that money?
How can you help the family:
His wife needs a regular source of income, if people could think about that and help her in providing a regular source of income. There is a welfare and settlement directorate of the Army which looks into this, like providing gas agency, petrol pumps -- the procedures are there and we're trying to look for a vacancy and get one.
Army Wives Welfare Association is also going to help -- those who want to help should write to AWWA or the Welfare and Resettlement directorate at Army HQ and mention the lady and that we want to help her out.
The government, battalion and regiment help but if everybody starts helping the family that is the strength one is looking for -- any army in the world cannot win a war if the population is not with them. If we all start joining hands and start looking after the soldiers, that is the sort of security everybody is looking for, that's the ideal situation one is looking for in this country.
Chinta Devi, Naib Subedar Chuni Lal's widow:
My husband loved the army. He always looked forward to going back after the end of his holidays. He used to come once a year for a month or so. He had always wanted to be a soldier and used to tell me about his life serving on the border.
My loss is immense but I know he did such a great task for the country. Everyone in my village speaks so highly of him, they all say he was such a brave man. He truly was.
My son wants to join the army as an officer. He has to live up to his father's name. My son says � 'Mujhe daddy ka badla lena hain' (I want to avenge my father's death). My husband also wanted my son to join the army. I am not scared that my son could face the same fate, because his father wanted him to join the army. That was his wish.
I was married to him for 20 years and now that he has gone I have to live for my children, their studies and their lives.
I get a pension of Rs 15,000 every month and have received around Rs 15 lakh compensation from the government. They say the remaining money will come to me in a few months. It would be nice if the government could sanction a gas agency or petrol pump to us, it would be of help to us.
The people of his regiment have helped us very much and remember us. But only I know what my grief is.
Manveer Singh, Naib Subedar Chuni Lal's son:
I was at home when the news of my father's death reached us. He was a very brave man. Everyone says that. I want to join the army and become an infantry officer. I want to go to the National Defence Academy.
I have always wanted to join the army. I am not scared. I have my father's example before me but it is sad that he will not be there from now on. I want to do something for this nation. I know it can be dangerous but there are certain things that have to be faced. I just want to make my father proud.
His Near & Dear Before His Memorial.
Saturday, February 21, 2009
Taliban Knocking at India's Door
Taliban is slowly but surely completely swallowing pakistan like an anaconda,a pakistan which is nuclear armed..
And it does seem that there is absolutely no resistance to this as can be seen from the meek surrender of the pakistani state in the swat region.
Now,I am not worried about what will happen to pakistan if a Taliban takeover of that country does indeed happen.
I am only worried about the complete lack of concern in India about this mighty dangerous events happening in our neighbourhood.Ofcourse the media is playing the threat perception to India from a resurgent Taliban at our doorsteps.But that's it.
Is the Indian government doing any thing to deal with this developing situation.It doesn't seem so.Atleast that's the impression that an ordinary citizen like me is getting.
Ofcourse,there is no need to overplay the situation and an open display of panic is not what is needed.Still a reassurance from the authorities will go a long way in allaying anxiety.We should all get a feeling that the respective authorities are working to avoid spillover of the Taliban venom into the Indian Mainland.Mere words like we are ready to face any eventuality won't suffice.
We all saw how easy it's to attack any part of our Country.Mumbai attackers came via sea..!!
Nobody interrupted them.They entered Indian waters ever so smoothly.It's chilling.It's a shocker that we don't have an effective means of guarding even those coastal areas where we know there could be threats.And when we think that we have a huge coastline towards the south,one can imagine the nature of threats we are facing.
The Talibani terrorists may not use sea routes.They may not need it at all,when there are so many infiltration routes available along India's border with pakistan.Kargil type situations can occur again.Pakistan can coveniently say that they are helpless and they don't have control of the Taliban.
India should be very careful,because all these peace pacts with Taliban,Sharia implementation etc in the swat valley could be a ploy by pakistan to confuse the international community.All these could be part of a masterly crafted double game by the pakistani establishment(if the pakistani govt is not involved,atleast the ISI should be behind this) to gain even more strategic depth in Afganistan and to continue the terror campaign in India.On the other hand if pakistan indeed is helpless and confused and is sincerely concerned at the evolving circumstances,then they can seek help from the international community and also from India.But for this the first thing pakistan need to show is that they are not playing a double game and that they are willing to stop the terror tap on India.The worrying thing is even after facing lot of terrorism related violence inside pakistan,it has not shown any interest for a concerted and sincere effort to tackle the monster it has created in the first place.
I am not an expert on security or foreign policy.So I am not the right person to suggest methods to tackle the moster we may face.Let's hope,for the sake of our Motherland,that all the relevant experts of our Great Nation are putting their brains together and are looking at ways to ensure that our Country remains safe and unaffected by what's happening at our doorstep.
If groundwork has not yet been started,it's better to start today,RIGHT AWAY.There is no time to waste.The safety and security of our beloved Motherland and our citizens should be of utmost importance to the Indian establishment.There is no time to play politics.We all have a duty towards our Motherland,especially those who can make a diference,and by that I mean,those who have the power,authority and capability to ensure India's well being.
And it does seem that there is absolutely no resistance to this as can be seen from the meek surrender of the pakistani state in the swat region.
Now,I am not worried about what will happen to pakistan if a Taliban takeover of that country does indeed happen.
I am only worried about the complete lack of concern in India about this mighty dangerous events happening in our neighbourhood.Ofcourse the media is playing the threat perception to India from a resurgent Taliban at our doorsteps.But that's it.
Is the Indian government doing any thing to deal with this developing situation.It doesn't seem so.Atleast that's the impression that an ordinary citizen like me is getting.
Ofcourse,there is no need to overplay the situation and an open display of panic is not what is needed.Still a reassurance from the authorities will go a long way in allaying anxiety.We should all get a feeling that the respective authorities are working to avoid spillover of the Taliban venom into the Indian Mainland.Mere words like we are ready to face any eventuality won't suffice.
We all saw how easy it's to attack any part of our Country.Mumbai attackers came via sea..!!
Nobody interrupted them.They entered Indian waters ever so smoothly.It's chilling.It's a shocker that we don't have an effective means of guarding even those coastal areas where we know there could be threats.And when we think that we have a huge coastline towards the south,one can imagine the nature of threats we are facing.
The Talibani terrorists may not use sea routes.They may not need it at all,when there are so many infiltration routes available along India's border with pakistan.Kargil type situations can occur again.Pakistan can coveniently say that they are helpless and they don't have control of the Taliban.
India should be very careful,because all these peace pacts with Taliban,Sharia implementation etc in the swat valley could be a ploy by pakistan to confuse the international community.All these could be part of a masterly crafted double game by the pakistani establishment(if the pakistani govt is not involved,atleast the ISI should be behind this) to gain even more strategic depth in Afganistan and to continue the terror campaign in India.On the other hand if pakistan indeed is helpless and confused and is sincerely concerned at the evolving circumstances,then they can seek help from the international community and also from India.But for this the first thing pakistan need to show is that they are not playing a double game and that they are willing to stop the terror tap on India.The worrying thing is even after facing lot of terrorism related violence inside pakistan,it has not shown any interest for a concerted and sincere effort to tackle the monster it has created in the first place.
I am not an expert on security or foreign policy.So I am not the right person to suggest methods to tackle the moster we may face.Let's hope,for the sake of our Motherland,that all the relevant experts of our Great Nation are putting their brains together and are looking at ways to ensure that our Country remains safe and unaffected by what's happening at our doorstep.
If groundwork has not yet been started,it's better to start today,RIGHT AWAY.There is no time to waste.The safety and security of our beloved Motherland and our citizens should be of utmost importance to the Indian establishment.There is no time to play politics.We all have a duty towards our Motherland,especially those who can make a diference,and by that I mean,those who have the power,authority and capability to ensure India's well being.
Deserving Slipper Treatment for Arundhati Roy
During the last few months,former US president George Bush,Chinese Premier and a few others were greeted with chappals/shoes thrown at them.Now this illustrous company has one more member,perhaps the most deserving person.
It's Arundhati Roy,the most strident anti-Indian roaming around in Indian cities,giving provocatively rude anti-national statements.
Don't want to go into the merits of whether Bush and Chinese PM ,deserve such a humiliation.May be both deserve it for what they did in Iraq and Tibet respectively.But about them,one can atleast say that they are not traitors.
Arundhati Roy is a traitor,A TRAITOR.Her main objective is to stay in limelight-especially in the western media and pak media by her extremely absurd anti-India vitriolic rantings.
Now talking about the chappal incident,when Arundhati Roy visited the Delhi University campus on February 13, she was greeted with a slipper thrown by student group Youth Unity for Vibrant Action (YUVA).
“When Arundhati Roy came to our campus, a member named Asif Kumar threw his slipper at her to protest her statement that Kashmir should be given to Pakistan. Her statement is against our national interest,” said Jairam Pandey, national convenor, YUVA.
Mr.Asif Kumar's feelings is very much understandable,even though one can debate the method of protest used.His frustrations and anger at Arundathi Roy's continuous tirade against our Motherland is,I am sure,shared by almost all Indians.
This is my third posting on Arundhati.I really don't want to give this much importance to an anti-national.But seeing the kind of western media attention that she is getting,just because she is a booker prize winner,I do hope it's worth pointing out some facts,which I have done in all these three postings,especially in the first two posts.
It's Arundhati Roy,the most strident anti-Indian roaming around in Indian cities,giving provocatively rude anti-national statements.
Don't want to go into the merits of whether Bush and Chinese PM ,deserve such a humiliation.May be both deserve it for what they did in Iraq and Tibet respectively.But about them,one can atleast say that they are not traitors.
Arundhati Roy is a traitor,A TRAITOR.Her main objective is to stay in limelight-especially in the western media and pak media by her extremely absurd anti-India vitriolic rantings.
Now talking about the chappal incident,when Arundhati Roy visited the Delhi University campus on February 13, she was greeted with a slipper thrown by student group Youth Unity for Vibrant Action (YUVA).
“When Arundhati Roy came to our campus, a member named Asif Kumar threw his slipper at her to protest her statement that Kashmir should be given to Pakistan. Her statement is against our national interest,” said Jairam Pandey, national convenor, YUVA.
Mr.Asif Kumar's feelings is very much understandable,even though one can debate the method of protest used.His frustrations and anger at Arundathi Roy's continuous tirade against our Motherland is,I am sure,shared by almost all Indians.
This is my third posting on Arundhati.I really don't want to give this much importance to an anti-national.But seeing the kind of western media attention that she is getting,just because she is a booker prize winner,I do hope it's worth pointing out some facts,which I have done in all these three postings,especially in the first two posts.
Thursday, February 19, 2009
BJP Leader Arun Jaitley's shocker
Speaking in the Rajya Sabha Wednesday, Jaitley said: "Manmohan Singh is acting as a night watchman, paving way for the member of Nehru-Gandhi family to the PM's seat".
It's a shocking statement from a so called 'one of the most important second rung leadership' of the BJP.
Calling the Prime Minister of India,who is about to complete his full term in office,a night watchman speaks volumes of Jaitley's culture.
Jaitley should understand that being a night watchman is not a very dirty thing.The 'night watchman' job itself is not such an insulting one,but it's clear that in this context Jaitley meant only to insult the Prime Minister of India.
I am sure that Manmohan Singh,the Gentleman he is,will ignore this.
It's time all political parties learn to respect Constitutional Positions of our Great Country.
Let them,all of us infact,criticise and point out the mistakes that are made,but surely trying to insult is not good.
It's a shocking statement from a so called 'one of the most important second rung leadership' of the BJP.
Calling the Prime Minister of India,who is about to complete his full term in office,a night watchman speaks volumes of Jaitley's culture.
Jaitley should understand that being a night watchman is not a very dirty thing.The 'night watchman' job itself is not such an insulting one,but it's clear that in this context Jaitley meant only to insult the Prime Minister of India.
I am sure that Manmohan Singh,the Gentleman he is,will ignore this.
It's time all political parties learn to respect Constitutional Positions of our Great Country.
Let them,all of us infact,criticise and point out the mistakes that are made,but surely trying to insult is not good.
Pls handover kasab-Yours Sincerely pakistan.
Pakistan's deputy attorney general Sardar Mohammad Ghazi claimed that Islamabad had formally requested India to hand over Kasab, identifying him as the "prime suspect" in the Mumbai mayhem.
Ghazi said the custody of the lone gunman captured alive during the terror strikes was sought to facilitate "successful" prosecution of other accused arrested in pakistan.
pakistan is now sooo sincere and wants to severely punish the Mumbai terrorists,that they are requesting/begging for custody of kasab(pls ignore that pak denied to the very last moment that kasab is a pak citizen,it was just a technical error).pak wants kasab to be punished so severly that it acts as a deterrent for others.pakistan fear that Indian judiciary will take long time to punish kasab.Only to ensure that 100% justice is done to the Mumbai terror victims,pak is asking for kasab.Nothing else.
Let's all have a round of applause for pakistanis' great wisdom and commitment to human values,ethics,fairness,honesty, etc etc etc etc......!!!!!!
pakistani investigating agencies are sooo great and sooo dedicated.Former pak PM benazir bhutto's murder is being investigated by UN only because UN does not have any other work.No one should mistake the capability and honesty of pak investigating agencies.
A small footnote :-This Sardar,Sardar Mohammad Ghazi,whoever he is,his statements are denied by pakistan government.India denied having received any such handover request.So as far as pakistan is concerned,the chain just continues.The chain of FLIP-FLOPS.
Ghazi said the custody of the lone gunman captured alive during the terror strikes was sought to facilitate "successful" prosecution of other accused arrested in pakistan.
pakistan is now sooo sincere and wants to severely punish the Mumbai terrorists,that they are requesting/begging for custody of kasab(pls ignore that pak denied to the very last moment that kasab is a pak citizen,it was just a technical error).pak wants kasab to be punished so severly that it acts as a deterrent for others.pakistan fear that Indian judiciary will take long time to punish kasab.Only to ensure that 100% justice is done to the Mumbai terror victims,pak is asking for kasab.Nothing else.
Let's all have a round of applause for pakistanis' great wisdom and commitment to human values,ethics,fairness,honesty, etc etc etc etc......!!!!!!
pakistani investigating agencies are sooo great and sooo dedicated.Former pak PM benazir bhutto's murder is being investigated by UN only because UN does not have any other work.No one should mistake the capability and honesty of pak investigating agencies.
A small footnote :-This Sardar,Sardar Mohammad Ghazi,whoever he is,his statements are denied by pakistan government.India denied having received any such handover request.So as far as pakistan is concerned,the chain just continues.The chain of FLIP-FLOPS.
Wednesday, February 11, 2009
An Appointment That May Help India
A decorated CIA veteran who called Pakistan’s bluff during the Kargil conflict a decade back and set US and India ties on a soaring new trajectory has been tasked by President Obama with conducting an inter-agency review of American policy towards Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Bruce Riedel, who has worked with three US presidents on issues relating to the region, and who was Obama’s foreign policy advisor on South Asia during the presidential campaign, was named on Tuesday by the White House to chair the inter-agency panel which has been asked to submit its report within two months before a Nato summit in April.
Riedel, currently a senior fellow at the Washington DC think-tank Brookings Institute, will take leave and work at the White House for 60 days, Presidential Spokesman Robert Gibbs said. He will coordinate with Richard Holbrooke, the newly-appointed US special representative to Af-Pak, who will co-chair the review panel along with Michelle Flournoy, the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy.
Gibbs said Riedel will report directly to the President and National Security Advisor Jim Jones.
Although the review pertains to the crisis-stricken area now called Af-Pak and does not involve India, Riedel’s appointment is being viewed as propitious in Indian circles because of his extensive knowledge of the region and a critical call he made during an India-Pak spat in the past. Riedel has a Masters in Diplomatic History from Harvard.
Riedel was working in the Clinton White House in 1999 when Pakistan under General Musharraf, emboldened by its nuclear status, invaded Kargil with its troops, and terrorists it called mujaheddin. Based on Riedel’s inputs, the Clinton administration determined that Pakistan was the wanton aggressor, and eventually forced Islamabad to accept a humiliating withdrawal even as it was faced with military rout.
The episode also led to Washington drawing a line in the sand insofar as the Kashmir issue was concerned, saying that it will not allow Pakistan to redraw the borders in blood, and virtually snuffing out Islamabad’s claim on the Valley.
US administrations have subsequently endorsed Indian democratic rule in the state, including the conduct of free and fair elections.
The 1999 American call went a long way towards healing the infamous Nixon-Kissinger pro-Pak tilt of 1971. It also changed Indian perception of CIA, eventually fostering close ties with the previously-dreaded agency that led to the visit to its Langley headquarters by then home minister LK Advani in January 2002.
Riedel has been part of the academic and think-tank circuit since his retirement from CIA in 2006. He joined the Obama team during the presidential campaign, advising him on South Asia.
Riedel’s appointment now is seen as yet another affirmation that publicly at least, the Obama administration does not consider the Kashmir issue particularly salient to Pakistan’s stability -- an argument that Islamabad makes persistently ("No Kashmir resolution, no peace."). This outlook is also what led to Holbrooke being appoint special representative for Af-Pak, with no reference to Kashmir.
Although Obama has spoken about the need to resolve the Kashmir issue, no one seems to be in a mood to humor Pakistan's claims.
US officials are now suggesting Pakistan has far greater and more urgent concerns than Kashmir, with a rampant al- Qaida and Taliban at Islamabad’s doorstep and its civilian dispensation barely in control of two if its four states.
There is a growing line of thinking that Pakistan will be better served by giving up its Kashmir obsession, an argument many Pakistani analysts made during last week’s "Kashmir Day" observation.
Riedel himself appears to believe that the state of Pakistan is still in cahoots with terrorists, a decade after its Kargil misadventure. In a panel discussion in Washington DC following the Mumbai carnage in November, he said it is difficult to believe the Pakistani government’s assertions that it was unaware of the plot "given the size of its (LeT) activities in Pakistan."
The Mumbai attacks were carried out by "professionals, who were trained by professionals who were given a professional plan... they were not a plot by amateurs or by a pick-up group," Riedel said, obliquely implicating the ISI and adding that "If there’s anything that is a 64 million dollar question today," it is finding out the "extent of its (Lashkar-e-Taiba) current ties to the Pakistani intelligence service."
As recently as January 29, Riedel said in an interview that ''in Pakistan, the jihadist Frankenstein monster that was created by the Pakistani army and the Pakistani intelligence service is now increasingly turning on its creators. It's trying to take over the laboratory.''
The Riedel-Holbrooke-Flournoy panel starts its work even as US lawmakers and the strategic community here have begun to acknowledge India’s role in Afghanistan stemming from both historical ties and strategic interests, to undermine which Pakistan fostered the Taliban.
A Congressional delegation led by the House Minority Leader John Boehner which visited Afghanistan last week noted India’s role and interest in the country. "You've got five countries that have a tremendous interest in what happens in Iraq and what happens in Afghanistan - Russia, China, Pakistan, India, and Iran,'' said lawmaker Peter Hoekstra who was part of the delegation. "They're all watching. They all have an interest in what goes on there. And so our success is critical into what happens in that region for the long term."
Coutest :timesofindia
Bruce Riedel, who has worked with three US presidents on issues relating to the region, and who was Obama’s foreign policy advisor on South Asia during the presidential campaign, was named on Tuesday by the White House to chair the inter-agency panel which has been asked to submit its report within two months before a Nato summit in April.
Riedel, currently a senior fellow at the Washington DC think-tank Brookings Institute, will take leave and work at the White House for 60 days, Presidential Spokesman Robert Gibbs said. He will coordinate with Richard Holbrooke, the newly-appointed US special representative to Af-Pak, who will co-chair the review panel along with Michelle Flournoy, the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy.
Gibbs said Riedel will report directly to the President and National Security Advisor Jim Jones.
Although the review pertains to the crisis-stricken area now called Af-Pak and does not involve India, Riedel’s appointment is being viewed as propitious in Indian circles because of his extensive knowledge of the region and a critical call he made during an India-Pak spat in the past. Riedel has a Masters in Diplomatic History from Harvard.
Riedel was working in the Clinton White House in 1999 when Pakistan under General Musharraf, emboldened by its nuclear status, invaded Kargil with its troops, and terrorists it called mujaheddin. Based on Riedel’s inputs, the Clinton administration determined that Pakistan was the wanton aggressor, and eventually forced Islamabad to accept a humiliating withdrawal even as it was faced with military rout.
The episode also led to Washington drawing a line in the sand insofar as the Kashmir issue was concerned, saying that it will not allow Pakistan to redraw the borders in blood, and virtually snuffing out Islamabad’s claim on the Valley.
US administrations have subsequently endorsed Indian democratic rule in the state, including the conduct of free and fair elections.
The 1999 American call went a long way towards healing the infamous Nixon-Kissinger pro-Pak tilt of 1971. It also changed Indian perception of CIA, eventually fostering close ties with the previously-dreaded agency that led to the visit to its Langley headquarters by then home minister LK Advani in January 2002.
Riedel has been part of the academic and think-tank circuit since his retirement from CIA in 2006. He joined the Obama team during the presidential campaign, advising him on South Asia.
Riedel’s appointment now is seen as yet another affirmation that publicly at least, the Obama administration does not consider the Kashmir issue particularly salient to Pakistan’s stability -- an argument that Islamabad makes persistently ("No Kashmir resolution, no peace."). This outlook is also what led to Holbrooke being appoint special representative for Af-Pak, with no reference to Kashmir.
Although Obama has spoken about the need to resolve the Kashmir issue, no one seems to be in a mood to humor Pakistan's claims.
US officials are now suggesting Pakistan has far greater and more urgent concerns than Kashmir, with a rampant al- Qaida and Taliban at Islamabad’s doorstep and its civilian dispensation barely in control of two if its four states.
There is a growing line of thinking that Pakistan will be better served by giving up its Kashmir obsession, an argument many Pakistani analysts made during last week’s "Kashmir Day" observation.
Riedel himself appears to believe that the state of Pakistan is still in cahoots with terrorists, a decade after its Kargil misadventure. In a panel discussion in Washington DC following the Mumbai carnage in November, he said it is difficult to believe the Pakistani government’s assertions that it was unaware of the plot "given the size of its (LeT) activities in Pakistan."
The Mumbai attacks were carried out by "professionals, who were trained by professionals who were given a professional plan... they were not a plot by amateurs or by a pick-up group," Riedel said, obliquely implicating the ISI and adding that "If there’s anything that is a 64 million dollar question today," it is finding out the "extent of its (Lashkar-e-Taiba) current ties to the Pakistani intelligence service."
As recently as January 29, Riedel said in an interview that ''in Pakistan, the jihadist Frankenstein monster that was created by the Pakistani army and the Pakistani intelligence service is now increasingly turning on its creators. It's trying to take over the laboratory.''
The Riedel-Holbrooke-Flournoy panel starts its work even as US lawmakers and the strategic community here have begun to acknowledge India’s role in Afghanistan stemming from both historical ties and strategic interests, to undermine which Pakistan fostered the Taliban.
A Congressional delegation led by the House Minority Leader John Boehner which visited Afghanistan last week noted India’s role and interest in the country. "You've got five countries that have a tremendous interest in what happens in Iraq and what happens in Afghanistan - Russia, China, Pakistan, India, and Iran,'' said lawmaker Peter Hoekstra who was part of the delegation. "They're all watching. They all have an interest in what goes on there. And so our success is critical into what happens in that region for the long term."
Coutest :timesofindia
Poland Accuses pakistan
Poland has joined the ranks of countries accusing Pakistan of inaction, if not outright complicity in terrorist activity,following the beheading last week
of a Polish national by the Pakistani Taliban.
In a furious response that has stunned the international diplomatic community, Polish justice minister Andrzej Czuma on Monday blamed Pakistan's ''apathy'' in tackling terrorism for the killing of a Polish geologist who was kidnapped by the Pakistani Taliban from Attock town in Punjab.
"The structure of the Pakistani government is behind this apathy. The Pakistani authorities encourage these bandits," Czuma told a Polish news agency, even as the horrific killing recalled the similar beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.
The minister’s outburst stunned his own colleagues in the diplomatic circuit who are a little more circumspect in public about Pakistan’s reputation as a haven of terrorism. ''It was unnecessary honesty, it sent shivers down my spine when I heard Minister Czuma speaking,''a member of the Polish parliament's Special Services Committee and Czuma's party colleague told the Polish media.
However, so great is the outrage in Warsaw over the brutal killing that the Poland's Senate speaker has called off a visit by his Pakistani counterpart this week.
Speaker Bogdan Borusewicz said Tuesday his decision is not an unfriendly gesture toward Pakistan but was made after taking into consideration ''the situation in which our countryman was murdered.'' Other European countries also expressed revulsion at yet another beheading in Pakistan.
Meanwhile, according to reports in the Polish media, the State Prosecutor's Office in Cracow, formally investigating the incident, would like to secure the original tapes containing a seven-minute film showing the Pole's execution. For now, a Foreign Ministry spokesperson said, it has only received a digital copy.
"We don't want a digital copy because it may have been tinkered with,'' said Prosecutor Marek We?na at the Organised Crime Bureau, State Prosecutor's Office in Cracow. He said the persons who had taken part in the negotiations would be asked to testify. It is also possible a Polish prosecutor will go to Pakistan to secure potential evidence there.
The Polish case offers Pakistan yet another opportunity to prove its bona fides in the war on terror amid continuing questions in the international community about its seriousness. Whether it is the Mumbai carnage or the London subway blasts or the beheading of Pearl and now of Piotr Stanczack, Pakistan has not distinguished itself with its dodgy investigations seemingly aimed more at protecting the perpetrators rather than bring them to justice.
Many of the accused in such incidents, including Omar Saeed Sheikh, Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi, Yusuf Muzammil, and Zarrar Khan are reported to be ISI assets who live under the intelligence agency’s protection, while Pakistan’s civilian dispensation drums up red herrings while privately pleading it is not fully in control of the agency or that it has been infiltrated by rogue elements.
With its constant denials, fudging and prevarication, Pakistan’s government has laid itself open that it is complicit in such acts of terrorism. There is immense distrust among the U.S and its allies about Pakistan’s intelligence agency ISI and how far it is in cahoots with the jihadis it fostered for long.
Coutesy:timesofIndia.
Poland deserves all sympathy.But unfortunately it seems each and every member of the international community will only learn if their own citizens are victims of pak terror.Even with the availability of a mountain of evidence against pakistani state's direct links with many terror organizations,the international community is still mum.Hope they won't need to learn the hard way..
of a Polish national by the Pakistani Taliban.
In a furious response that has stunned the international diplomatic community, Polish justice minister Andrzej Czuma on Monday blamed Pakistan's ''apathy'' in tackling terrorism for the killing of a Polish geologist who was kidnapped by the Pakistani Taliban from Attock town in Punjab.
"The structure of the Pakistani government is behind this apathy. The Pakistani authorities encourage these bandits," Czuma told a Polish news agency, even as the horrific killing recalled the similar beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.
The minister’s outburst stunned his own colleagues in the diplomatic circuit who are a little more circumspect in public about Pakistan’s reputation as a haven of terrorism. ''It was unnecessary honesty, it sent shivers down my spine when I heard Minister Czuma speaking,''a member of the Polish parliament's Special Services Committee and Czuma's party colleague told the Polish media.
However, so great is the outrage in Warsaw over the brutal killing that the Poland's Senate speaker has called off a visit by his Pakistani counterpart this week.
Speaker Bogdan Borusewicz said Tuesday his decision is not an unfriendly gesture toward Pakistan but was made after taking into consideration ''the situation in which our countryman was murdered.'' Other European countries also expressed revulsion at yet another beheading in Pakistan.
Meanwhile, according to reports in the Polish media, the State Prosecutor's Office in Cracow, formally investigating the incident, would like to secure the original tapes containing a seven-minute film showing the Pole's execution. For now, a Foreign Ministry spokesperson said, it has only received a digital copy.
"We don't want a digital copy because it may have been tinkered with,'' said Prosecutor Marek We?na at the Organised Crime Bureau, State Prosecutor's Office in Cracow. He said the persons who had taken part in the negotiations would be asked to testify. It is also possible a Polish prosecutor will go to Pakistan to secure potential evidence there.
The Polish case offers Pakistan yet another opportunity to prove its bona fides in the war on terror amid continuing questions in the international community about its seriousness. Whether it is the Mumbai carnage or the London subway blasts or the beheading of Pearl and now of Piotr Stanczack, Pakistan has not distinguished itself with its dodgy investigations seemingly aimed more at protecting the perpetrators rather than bring them to justice.
Many of the accused in such incidents, including Omar Saeed Sheikh, Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi, Yusuf Muzammil, and Zarrar Khan are reported to be ISI assets who live under the intelligence agency’s protection, while Pakistan’s civilian dispensation drums up red herrings while privately pleading it is not fully in control of the agency or that it has been infiltrated by rogue elements.
With its constant denials, fudging and prevarication, Pakistan’s government has laid itself open that it is complicit in such acts of terrorism. There is immense distrust among the U.S and its allies about Pakistan’s intelligence agency ISI and how far it is in cahoots with the jihadis it fostered for long.
Coutesy:timesofIndia.
Poland deserves all sympathy.But unfortunately it seems each and every member of the international community will only learn if their own citizens are victims of pak terror.Even with the availability of a mountain of evidence against pakistani state's direct links with many terror organizations,the international community is still mum.Hope they won't need to learn the hard way..
Britian Begging to pak terrorists
If the below news article in expressindia is true,then it's an utter shame and a most senseless activity that a government will undertake..
Britian is literally going to beg to terrorists..
Read below and see if you can believe this..
The British government will air ads on Pakistani television urging terrorists to not attack Britain.
Prominent British Muslims will star in the British Foreign Office-funded £400,000 (approximately Rs 2.9 crore)-campaign that is set to break on Pakistani television next Monday, ‘The Guardian’ reported on Tuesday.
The three-month public relations offensive, called ‘I Am the West’, will also include high-profile events in regions such as Peshawar and Mirpur, ‘The Guardian’ said. Seven in ten British Pakistanis are Mirpuris.
According to ‘The Guardian’, the first three ads in the project will feature British Communities Minister Sadiq Khan, UK manager of Islamic Relief Jehangir Malik, former England Under-19 captain and promising Worcestershire allrounder Moeen Ali, and the Lord Mayor of Birmingham, Chaudry Abdul Rashid, a Mirpuri.
The campaign, the paper said, will be targeted at ‘15-25-year-old males who are less than well-educated and worldly wise, but potentially susceptible to extremist doctrines’. Nine 30-second commercials, supported by ads on radio, will be aired on PTV, Geo TV and Khyber among other channels. If the Pakistani campaign is successful, it will be extended in Egypt, Yemen and Indonesia.
The central theme of the campaign, ‘The Guardian’ said, "is to assert that there is no contradiction in being a Muslim and being British." It has four key aims, the daily reported: ‘to ensure Pakistanis realise the west is not anti-Islamic, that British society is not anti-Islam, to demonstrate the extent to which Muslims are integrated into British society and to stimulate and facilitate constructive debate on the compatibility of liberal and Muslim values’.
Note:This could be British foreigh secretary David Miliband's idea.He is a much hated figure in India for indirectly suggesting earlier that the Mumbai terror attack happened because of not solving the Kashmir issue..!!
Britian is literally going to beg to terrorists..
Read below and see if you can believe this..
The British government will air ads on Pakistani television urging terrorists to not attack Britain.
Prominent British Muslims will star in the British Foreign Office-funded £400,000 (approximately Rs 2.9 crore)-campaign that is set to break on Pakistani television next Monday, ‘The Guardian’ reported on Tuesday.
The three-month public relations offensive, called ‘I Am the West’, will also include high-profile events in regions such as Peshawar and Mirpur, ‘The Guardian’ said. Seven in ten British Pakistanis are Mirpuris.
According to ‘The Guardian’, the first three ads in the project will feature British Communities Minister Sadiq Khan, UK manager of Islamic Relief Jehangir Malik, former England Under-19 captain and promising Worcestershire allrounder Moeen Ali, and the Lord Mayor of Birmingham, Chaudry Abdul Rashid, a Mirpuri.
The campaign, the paper said, will be targeted at ‘15-25-year-old males who are less than well-educated and worldly wise, but potentially susceptible to extremist doctrines’. Nine 30-second commercials, supported by ads on radio, will be aired on PTV, Geo TV and Khyber among other channels. If the Pakistani campaign is successful, it will be extended in Egypt, Yemen and Indonesia.
The central theme of the campaign, ‘The Guardian’ said, "is to assert that there is no contradiction in being a Muslim and being British." It has four key aims, the daily reported: ‘to ensure Pakistanis realise the west is not anti-Islamic, that British society is not anti-Islam, to demonstrate the extent to which Muslims are integrated into British society and to stimulate and facilitate constructive debate on the compatibility of liberal and Muslim values’.
Note:This could be British foreigh secretary David Miliband's idea.He is a much hated figure in India for indirectly suggesting earlier that the Mumbai terror attack happened because of not solving the Kashmir issue..!!
Tuesday, February 10, 2009
Amusing Excuse For An Amazing Loss
Former England captain Graham Gooch has blamed the distraction caused by the Indian Premier League (IPL) and the lack of a full-time coach for England's disastrous 51 all out and innings defeat to the West Indies in the first Test.
England slumped Saturday to its third lowest score in Test cricket in Kingston, Jamaica. The West Indies won the first of four matches by an innings and 32 runs with a day to spare.
Gooch said he believed that Friday's IPL auction of cricket players in India contributed to England's poor performance.
"The England team say there has been no distraction with the IPL. But when all these background influences are going on, it's not the best environment to give your best performances," Gooch was quoted as saying in English media.
May be the war in Afganistan also is a cause for the defeat..!!
Climatic conditions too played it's part,afterall why there was no rain...
England slumped Saturday to its third lowest score in Test cricket in Kingston, Jamaica. The West Indies won the first of four matches by an innings and 32 runs with a day to spare.
Gooch said he believed that Friday's IPL auction of cricket players in India contributed to England's poor performance.
"The England team say there has been no distraction with the IPL. But when all these background influences are going on, it's not the best environment to give your best performances," Gooch was quoted as saying in English media.
May be the war in Afganistan also is a cause for the defeat..!!
Climatic conditions too played it's part,afterall why there was no rain...
Monday, February 9, 2009
Narendra Modi's Very Poor Timing
"Mumbai terror attack could not have been possible without local help."
says Modi.
Hoo...Great discovery..!!
Earlier he said the evidence India gave to pakistan in the dossier on the Mumbai terror attack are not evidence.These were almost the exact words uttered by pak PM in their parliament.After Modi's statement pak PM said even Modi agrees with what he said earlier..!!
Neither the BJP nor Modi cared to refute this or provide some clarifications.
Now this new statement of Modi will give fresh ammunition to pak against India.
Ofcourse local help might be there,but this is not the time to mention about it,especially when pakistan is trying every dirty trick in the book to divert blame from them for the Mumbai attacks.
The timing of these utterenaces from Narendra Modi is sooo poor..
He is only making India's case weaker..
says Modi.
Hoo...Great discovery..!!
Earlier he said the evidence India gave to pakistan in the dossier on the Mumbai terror attack are not evidence.These were almost the exact words uttered by pak PM in their parliament.After Modi's statement pak PM said even Modi agrees with what he said earlier..!!
Neither the BJP nor Modi cared to refute this or provide some clarifications.
Now this new statement of Modi will give fresh ammunition to pak against India.
Ofcourse local help might be there,but this is not the time to mention about it,especially when pakistan is trying every dirty trick in the book to divert blame from them for the Mumbai attacks.
The timing of these utterenaces from Narendra Modi is sooo poor..
He is only making India's case weaker..
Thursday, February 5, 2009
Some Beautiful Quotes on Our Great Nation
Albert Einstein, American Scientist: "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made!"
Mark Twain, American Author: "India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most astrictive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only!"
"So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left undone, either by man or nature, to make India the most extraordinary country that the sun visits on his rounds. Nothing seems to have been forgotten, nothing overlooked."
"In religion, India is the only millionaire... the One land that all men desire to see, and having seen once, by even a glimpse, would not give that glimpse for all the shows of all the rest of the globe combined."
Will Durant, American Historian: “It is true that even across the Himalayan barrier India has sent to the west, such gifts as grammar and logic, philosophy and fables, hypnotism and chess, and above all numerals and the decimal system.”
"India will teach us the tolerance and gentleness of mature mind, understanding spirit and a unifying, pacifying love for all human beings."
"India is the motherland of our race and Sanskrit is the mother of Indo-European languages. She is the mother of our philosophy, of our mathematics, mother of ideals embodied in Christianity and mother of our democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all." (‘Story of Civilization’)
Henry David Thoreau, American Thinker /Author: Whenever I have read any part of the Vedas, I have felt that some unearthly and unknown light illuminated me. In the great teaching of the Vedas, there is no touch of sectarianism. It is of all ages, climbs, and nationalities and is the royal road for the attainment of the Great Knowledge. When I read it, I feel that I am under the spangled heavens of a summer night.
R.W. Emerson, American Author: In the great books of India, an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence, which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the questions that exercise us.
William James, American Author: "From the Vedas we learn a practical art of surgery, medicine, music, house building under which mechanized art is included. They are encyclopedia of every aspect of life, culture, religion, science, ethics, law, cosmology and meteorology."
Max Muller, German Scholar: "If I were to look over the whole world to find out a country most richly endowed with all the wealth, power and beauty that nature can bestow – in some part a very paradise on earth – I should point to India."
"There is no book in the world that is so thrilling, stirring and inspiring as the Upanishads." (‘Sacred Books of the East’)
Romain Rolland, French Philosopher: If there is one place on the face of this Earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest day when man began the dream of existence, it is India.
Apollonius Tyanaeus, Ancient Greek Traveler: "In India, I found a race of mortals living upon the Earth, but not adhering to it, inhabiting cities, but not being fixed to them, possessing everything, but possessed by nothing."
Dr Arnold Toynbee, British Historian: “It is already becoming clear that a chapter which had a Western beginning will have to have an Indian ending if it is not to end in the self-destruction of the human race. At this supremely dangerous moment in history, the only way of salvation for mankind is the Indian way.”
Hu Shih (Former Chinese Ambassador to USA): "India conquered and dominated China for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across its border." (Bhavan Journal 15.05.1999)
Swami Vivekananda, Indian Philosopher: "Civilizations have arisen in other parts of the world. In ancient and modern times, wonderful ideas have been carried forward from one race to another...But mark you, my friends, it has been always with the blast of war trumpets and the march of embattled cohorts. Each idea had to be soaked in a deluge of blood..... Each word of power had to be followed by the groans of millions, by the wails of orphans, by the tears of widows. This, many other nations have taught; but India for thousands of years peacefully existed. Here activity prevailed when even Greece did not exist... Even earlier, when history has no record, and tradition dares not peer into the gloom of that intense past, even from until now, ideas after ideas have marched out from her, but every word has been spoken with a blessing behind it and peace before it. We, of all nations of the world, have never been a conquering race, and that blessing is on our head, and therefore we live....!"
Shri Aurovindo: "India of the ages is not dead nor has she spoken her last creative word; she lives and has still something to do for herself and the human peoples. And that which must seek now to awake is not anglicised oriental people, docile pupil of the West and doomed to repeat the cycle of the occident's success and failure, but still the ancient immemorable Shakti recovering her deepest self, lifting her head higher towards the supreme source of light and strength and turning to discover the complete meaning and a vaster form of her Dharma."
Sir William Jones, British Orientalist: "The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity is of wonderful structure, more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin and more exquisitely refined than either."
P. Johnstone: "Gravitation was known to the Hindus (Indians) before the birth of Newton. The system of blood circulation was discovered by them centuries before Harvey was heard of."
Emmelin Plunret: "They were very advanced Hindu astronomers in 6000 BC. Vedas contain an account of the dimension of Earth, Sun, Moon, Planets and Galaxies." (‘Calendars and Constellations’)
Sylvia Levi: "She (India) has left indelible imprints on one fourth of the human race in the course of a long succession of centuries. She has the right to reclaim ... her place amongst the great nations summarizing and symbolizing the spirit of humanity. From Persia to the Chinese sea, from the icy regions of Siberia to Islands of Java and Borneo, India has propagated her beliefs, her tales, and her civilization!"
Colonel James Todd: "Where can we look for sages like those whose systems of philosophy were prototypes of those of Greece: to whose works Plato, Thales and Pythagorus were disciples? Where do I find astronomers whose knowledge of planetary systems yet excites wonder in Europe as well as the architects and sculptors whose works claim our admiration, and the musicians who could make the mind oscillate from joy to sorrow, from tears to smile with the change of modes and varied intonation?"
Lancelot Hogben: "There has been no more revolutionary contribution than the one which the Hindus (Indians) made when they invented ZERO." (‘Mathematics for the Millions’)
Schopenhauer: "Vedas are the most rewarding and the most elevating book which can be possible in the world." (Works VI p.427)
Wheeler Wilcox: "India – The land of Vedas, the remarkable works contain not only religious ideas for a perfect life, but also facts which science has proved true. Electricity, radium, electronics, airship, all were known to the seers who founded the Vedas."
W. Heisenberg, German Physicist: "After the conversations about Indian philosophy, some of the ideas of Quantum Physics that had seemed so crazy suddenly made much more sense."
Sir W. Hunter, British Surgeon: "The surgery of the ancient Indian physicians was bold and skilful. A special branch of surgery was dedicated to rhinoplasty or operations for improving deformed ears, noses and forming new ones, which European surgeons have now borrowed."
Sir John Woodroffe: "An examination of Indian Vedic doctrines shows that it is in tune with the most advanced scientific and philosophical thought of the West."
B.G. Rele: "Our present knowledge of the nervous system fits in so accurately with the internal description of the human body given in the Vedas (5000 years ago). Then the question arises whether the Vedas are really religious books or books on anatomy of the nervous system and medicine." (‘The Vedic Gods’)
Adolf Seilachar & P.K. Bose, scientists: “One Billion-Year-Old fossil prove life began in India: AFP Washington reports in Science Magazine that German Scientist Adolf Seilachar and Indian Scientist P.K. Bose have unearthed fossil in Churhat a town in Madhya Pradesh, India which is 1.1 billion years old and has rolled back the evolutionary clock by more than 500 million years.”
Will Durant, American historian:
"India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe's languages: she was the mother of our philosophy; mother, through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics; mother, through the Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity; mother, through the village community, of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all".
Mark Twain, American author:
"India is, the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."
Albert Einstein, American scientist:
"We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
Max Mueller, German scholar:
If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions, I should point to India.
5. Romain Rolland, French scholar :
"If there is one place on the face of earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India."
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA:
"India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."
Mark Twain:
"So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left undone, either by man or nature, to make India the most extraordinary country that the sun visits on his rounds. Nothing seems to have been forgotten, nothing overlooked."
Keith Bellows, VP - National Geographic Society :
"There are some parts of the world that, once visited, get into your heart and won’t go. For me, India is such a place. When I first visited, I was stunned by the richness of the land, by its lush beauty and exotic architecture, by its ability to overload the senses with the pure, concentrated intensity of its colors, smells, tastes, and sounds... I had been seeing the world in black & white and, when brought face-to-face with India, experienced everything re-rendered in brilliant technicolor."
Mark Twain:
"India has two million gods, and worships them all. In religion all other countries are paupers; India is the only millionaire."
A Rough Guide to India:
"It is impossible not to be astonished by India. Nowhere on Earth does humanity present itself in such a dizzying, creative burst of cultures and religions, races and tongues. Enriched by successive waves of migration and marauders from distant lands, every one of them left an indelible imprint which was absorbed into the Indian way of life. Every aspect of the country presents itself on a massive, exaggerated scale, worthy in comparison only to the superlative mountains that overshadow it. It is this variety which provides a breathtaking ensemble for experiences that is uniquely Indian. Perhaps the only thing more difficult than to be indifferent to India would be to describe or understand India completely. There are perhaps very few nations in the world with the enormous variety that India has to offer. Modern day India represents the largest democracy in the world with a seamless picture of unity in diversity unparalleled anywhere else."
Courtesy :hinduism.com
Mark Twain, American Author: "India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most astrictive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only!"
"So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left undone, either by man or nature, to make India the most extraordinary country that the sun visits on his rounds. Nothing seems to have been forgotten, nothing overlooked."
"In religion, India is the only millionaire... the One land that all men desire to see, and having seen once, by even a glimpse, would not give that glimpse for all the shows of all the rest of the globe combined."
Will Durant, American Historian: “It is true that even across the Himalayan barrier India has sent to the west, such gifts as grammar and logic, philosophy and fables, hypnotism and chess, and above all numerals and the decimal system.”
"India will teach us the tolerance and gentleness of mature mind, understanding spirit and a unifying, pacifying love for all human beings."
"India is the motherland of our race and Sanskrit is the mother of Indo-European languages. She is the mother of our philosophy, of our mathematics, mother of ideals embodied in Christianity and mother of our democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all." (‘Story of Civilization’)
Henry David Thoreau, American Thinker /Author: Whenever I have read any part of the Vedas, I have felt that some unearthly and unknown light illuminated me. In the great teaching of the Vedas, there is no touch of sectarianism. It is of all ages, climbs, and nationalities and is the royal road for the attainment of the Great Knowledge. When I read it, I feel that I am under the spangled heavens of a summer night.
R.W. Emerson, American Author: In the great books of India, an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence, which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the questions that exercise us.
William James, American Author: "From the Vedas we learn a practical art of surgery, medicine, music, house building under which mechanized art is included. They are encyclopedia of every aspect of life, culture, religion, science, ethics, law, cosmology and meteorology."
Max Muller, German Scholar: "If I were to look over the whole world to find out a country most richly endowed with all the wealth, power and beauty that nature can bestow – in some part a very paradise on earth – I should point to India."
"There is no book in the world that is so thrilling, stirring and inspiring as the Upanishads." (‘Sacred Books of the East’)
Romain Rolland, French Philosopher: If there is one place on the face of this Earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest day when man began the dream of existence, it is India.
Apollonius Tyanaeus, Ancient Greek Traveler: "In India, I found a race of mortals living upon the Earth, but not adhering to it, inhabiting cities, but not being fixed to them, possessing everything, but possessed by nothing."
Dr Arnold Toynbee, British Historian: “It is already becoming clear that a chapter which had a Western beginning will have to have an Indian ending if it is not to end in the self-destruction of the human race. At this supremely dangerous moment in history, the only way of salvation for mankind is the Indian way.”
Hu Shih (Former Chinese Ambassador to USA): "India conquered and dominated China for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across its border." (Bhavan Journal 15.05.1999)
Swami Vivekananda, Indian Philosopher: "Civilizations have arisen in other parts of the world. In ancient and modern times, wonderful ideas have been carried forward from one race to another...But mark you, my friends, it has been always with the blast of war trumpets and the march of embattled cohorts. Each idea had to be soaked in a deluge of blood..... Each word of power had to be followed by the groans of millions, by the wails of orphans, by the tears of widows. This, many other nations have taught; but India for thousands of years peacefully existed. Here activity prevailed when even Greece did not exist... Even earlier, when history has no record, and tradition dares not peer into the gloom of that intense past, even from until now, ideas after ideas have marched out from her, but every word has been spoken with a blessing behind it and peace before it. We, of all nations of the world, have never been a conquering race, and that blessing is on our head, and therefore we live....!"
Shri Aurovindo: "India of the ages is not dead nor has she spoken her last creative word; she lives and has still something to do for herself and the human peoples. And that which must seek now to awake is not anglicised oriental people, docile pupil of the West and doomed to repeat the cycle of the occident's success and failure, but still the ancient immemorable Shakti recovering her deepest self, lifting her head higher towards the supreme source of light and strength and turning to discover the complete meaning and a vaster form of her Dharma."
Sir William Jones, British Orientalist: "The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity is of wonderful structure, more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin and more exquisitely refined than either."
P. Johnstone: "Gravitation was known to the Hindus (Indians) before the birth of Newton. The system of blood circulation was discovered by them centuries before Harvey was heard of."
Emmelin Plunret: "They were very advanced Hindu astronomers in 6000 BC. Vedas contain an account of the dimension of Earth, Sun, Moon, Planets and Galaxies." (‘Calendars and Constellations’)
Sylvia Levi: "She (India) has left indelible imprints on one fourth of the human race in the course of a long succession of centuries. She has the right to reclaim ... her place amongst the great nations summarizing and symbolizing the spirit of humanity. From Persia to the Chinese sea, from the icy regions of Siberia to Islands of Java and Borneo, India has propagated her beliefs, her tales, and her civilization!"
Colonel James Todd: "Where can we look for sages like those whose systems of philosophy were prototypes of those of Greece: to whose works Plato, Thales and Pythagorus were disciples? Where do I find astronomers whose knowledge of planetary systems yet excites wonder in Europe as well as the architects and sculptors whose works claim our admiration, and the musicians who could make the mind oscillate from joy to sorrow, from tears to smile with the change of modes and varied intonation?"
Lancelot Hogben: "There has been no more revolutionary contribution than the one which the Hindus (Indians) made when they invented ZERO." (‘Mathematics for the Millions’)
Schopenhauer: "Vedas are the most rewarding and the most elevating book which can be possible in the world." (Works VI p.427)
Wheeler Wilcox: "India – The land of Vedas, the remarkable works contain not only religious ideas for a perfect life, but also facts which science has proved true. Electricity, radium, electronics, airship, all were known to the seers who founded the Vedas."
W. Heisenberg, German Physicist: "After the conversations about Indian philosophy, some of the ideas of Quantum Physics that had seemed so crazy suddenly made much more sense."
Sir W. Hunter, British Surgeon: "The surgery of the ancient Indian physicians was bold and skilful. A special branch of surgery was dedicated to rhinoplasty or operations for improving deformed ears, noses and forming new ones, which European surgeons have now borrowed."
Sir John Woodroffe: "An examination of Indian Vedic doctrines shows that it is in tune with the most advanced scientific and philosophical thought of the West."
B.G. Rele: "Our present knowledge of the nervous system fits in so accurately with the internal description of the human body given in the Vedas (5000 years ago). Then the question arises whether the Vedas are really religious books or books on anatomy of the nervous system and medicine." (‘The Vedic Gods’)
Adolf Seilachar & P.K. Bose, scientists: “One Billion-Year-Old fossil prove life began in India: AFP Washington reports in Science Magazine that German Scientist Adolf Seilachar and Indian Scientist P.K. Bose have unearthed fossil in Churhat a town in Madhya Pradesh, India which is 1.1 billion years old and has rolled back the evolutionary clock by more than 500 million years.”
Will Durant, American historian:
"India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe's languages: she was the mother of our philosophy; mother, through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics; mother, through the Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity; mother, through the village community, of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all".
Mark Twain, American author:
"India is, the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."
Albert Einstein, American scientist:
"We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
Max Mueller, German scholar:
If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions, I should point to India.
5. Romain Rolland, French scholar :
"If there is one place on the face of earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India."
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA:
"India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."
Mark Twain:
"So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left undone, either by man or nature, to make India the most extraordinary country that the sun visits on his rounds. Nothing seems to have been forgotten, nothing overlooked."
Keith Bellows, VP - National Geographic Society :
"There are some parts of the world that, once visited, get into your heart and won’t go. For me, India is such a place. When I first visited, I was stunned by the richness of the land, by its lush beauty and exotic architecture, by its ability to overload the senses with the pure, concentrated intensity of its colors, smells, tastes, and sounds... I had been seeing the world in black & white and, when brought face-to-face with India, experienced everything re-rendered in brilliant technicolor."
Mark Twain:
"India has two million gods, and worships them all. In religion all other countries are paupers; India is the only millionaire."
A Rough Guide to India:
"It is impossible not to be astonished by India. Nowhere on Earth does humanity present itself in such a dizzying, creative burst of cultures and religions, races and tongues. Enriched by successive waves of migration and marauders from distant lands, every one of them left an indelible imprint which was absorbed into the Indian way of life. Every aspect of the country presents itself on a massive, exaggerated scale, worthy in comparison only to the superlative mountains that overshadow it. It is this variety which provides a breathtaking ensemble for experiences that is uniquely Indian. Perhaps the only thing more difficult than to be indifferent to India would be to describe or understand India completely. There are perhaps very few nations in the world with the enormous variety that India has to offer. Modern day India represents the largest democracy in the world with a seamless picture of unity in diversity unparalleled anywhere else."
Courtesy :hinduism.com
The Great Indian Nation
Better than Heaven or Arcadia
I love thee, O my India!
And thy love I shall give
To every brother nation that lives.
God made the Earth;
Man made confining countries
And their fancy-frozen boundaries.
But with unfound boundless love
I behold the borderland of my India
Expanding into the World.
Hail, mother of religions, lotus, scenic beauty,and sages!
Thy wide doors are open,
Welcoming God's true sons through all ages.
Where Ganges, woods, Himalayan caves, and
men dream God -
I am hallowed; my body touched that sod.
Poem Penned By:Swami Yogananda Paramhansa
I love thee, O my India!
And thy love I shall give
To every brother nation that lives.
God made the Earth;
Man made confining countries
And their fancy-frozen boundaries.
But with unfound boundless love
I behold the borderland of my India
Expanding into the World.
Hail, mother of religions, lotus, scenic beauty,and sages!
Thy wide doors are open,
Welcoming God's true sons through all ages.
Where Ganges, woods, Himalayan caves, and
men dream God -
I am hallowed; my body touched that sod.
Poem Penned By:Swami Yogananda Paramhansa
Wednesday, February 4, 2009
NSA Narayanan's Googly
India's National Security Advisor M.K.Narayanan is in the news for all the wrong reasons.
While speaking to CNN-IBN on Devil’s Advocate Narayanan said, “I do think that we could make President Obama understand that he is barking up the wrong tree. I think Kashmir today has become one of the quieter and safer places in this part of the world.”
Obama barking..!!!
Shameful language,shocking...This is most unbecoming of a very senior and experienced personnel of the Indian government.
But the real controversy,has been generated by the NSA's claim that Pakistan has responded to India's 26/11 dossier with queries, a statement denied by External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee.
pakistan itself is saying that 'we will respond,we are on the way to respond etc etc..'.Then how on earth this old man is saying that pakistan has already responded.It's another matter that every body in India knows what pakis response will be.Already their ambassador to UK has denied any role of pakistan.He even said the terror planning could have happened in a ship...!!
Ya..Could be.Could have been a pakistani navy ship..!!
Narayanan also thinks pakistan is serious with its investigation.
Yeah,very serious.That's why they said about the ship and all...!
Narayanan also told CNN-IBN some thing like Musharaf was better for India...!
Narayan forgot the fact that he was the guy who stabbed India in the back in Kargil??
Any way,no wonder India's internal security situation is this bad.If this is how the National Security Advisor thinks and advices the Indian government,then only GOD can help us.
While speaking to CNN-IBN on Devil’s Advocate Narayanan said, “I do think that we could make President Obama understand that he is barking up the wrong tree. I think Kashmir today has become one of the quieter and safer places in this part of the world.”
Obama barking..!!!
Shameful language,shocking...This is most unbecoming of a very senior and experienced personnel of the Indian government.
But the real controversy,has been generated by the NSA's claim that Pakistan has responded to India's 26/11 dossier with queries, a statement denied by External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee.
pakistan itself is saying that 'we will respond,we are on the way to respond etc etc..'.Then how on earth this old man is saying that pakistan has already responded.It's another matter that every body in India knows what pakis response will be.Already their ambassador to UK has denied any role of pakistan.He even said the terror planning could have happened in a ship...!!
Ya..Could be.Could have been a pakistani navy ship..!!
Narayanan also thinks pakistan is serious with its investigation.
Yeah,very serious.That's why they said about the ship and all...!
Narayanan also told CNN-IBN some thing like Musharaf was better for India...!
Narayan forgot the fact that he was the guy who stabbed India in the back in Kargil??
Any way,no wonder India's internal security situation is this bad.If this is how the National Security Advisor thinks and advices the Indian government,then only GOD can help us.
Ghazal Singer Jagjit Singh Blasts A R Rahman
AR Rahman is being recognized internationally,with his music for Slumdog Millionaire getting the golden globe award and also getting 3 nominations in Musical category for Oscar.This is the first time an Indian musician is getting so much exposure and fame,but sadly he got blasted from a very unexpected corner. He is the target of Ghazal maestro Jagjit Singh’s flak.
“It is a fact, just that nobody is saying it, but everybody knows…Rahman josh mein aa kar ghazal banayee (If he has it in him, he should compose ghazals),” Jagjit Singh said on asked about Rahman’s music in ‘Slumdog Millionaire’.
“What does AR Rahman know about ghazals? He will never use a ghazal in his films. All they do is pick up tunes from the West,” Jagjit accused.
He also blasted Gulzar.
“What to say if Gulzar writes such songs. He can say ‘no’ if he wants. He is a man from great literary background,” an angred Singh said.
He criticised contemporary music directors of Bollywood as well. “Earlier, in the 60s and 70s, 90% of the music was based on the ghazal. Today, there's no poetry in the phrasing. It's all western and the language is tapori - a mix of English and Hindi. What kind of lyrics are Pappu can't dance saala?” Jagjit questioned.
It's a shocker.Nobody would have expected this from Jagjit Singh.He seemed a very prgmatic and a humble person.Well,not any more.With this outburst,he appears to be jealous that he is not getting as much fame as ARR is getting.
The counter question to Jagjit Singh should be,can he sing any other variety of songs other than Ghazals and Bhajans??
The answer is NO.
Nobody will say that Rahman lacks variety.His compositions all through these years stand testimony to this.
It's strange that Jagjit Singh seems to conviniently forget the fact that it's not Rahman who decides whether a film needs a Gahzal or not.It's the film situation that demands it,surely Jagjit Sigh will know this simple fact.If any film director asks for a Ghazal,surely Rahman will compose a beautiful Ghazal.
An elderly person like Jagjit Singh should have stayed away from these petty politics.
He has let down his fans.He has tarnished his own image.
One thing is sure, whatever Jagjit or any body else says about Rahman,Rahman won't respond to such silly comments.He is a very simple and down to earth person and he will continue striving for excellence.
Jagjit Singh has later tried to reduce the impact of his empty rhetoric.
Jagjit clarifies, “Actually what I meant was Rahman, being an innovative award-winning composer who connects with today’s Gen-Next, should also include ghazals written by stalwarts like Gulzar in his film repertoire.Of late, he has been confining himself to jazzy and folksy-fusion Indi-pop.Since he is versatile enough, he should be able to come up with fabulous ghazals and popularise them.”
He even says if Rahman composes Ghazals,he is ready to sing for Rahman..
Now I leave it there,on what was Jagjit Singh's intention in saying all these things...
“It is a fact, just that nobody is saying it, but everybody knows…Rahman josh mein aa kar ghazal banayee (If he has it in him, he should compose ghazals),” Jagjit Singh said on asked about Rahman’s music in ‘Slumdog Millionaire’.
“What does AR Rahman know about ghazals? He will never use a ghazal in his films. All they do is pick up tunes from the West,” Jagjit accused.
He also blasted Gulzar.
“What to say if Gulzar writes such songs. He can say ‘no’ if he wants. He is a man from great literary background,” an angred Singh said.
He criticised contemporary music directors of Bollywood as well. “Earlier, in the 60s and 70s, 90% of the music was based on the ghazal. Today, there's no poetry in the phrasing. It's all western and the language is tapori - a mix of English and Hindi. What kind of lyrics are Pappu can't dance saala?” Jagjit questioned.
It's a shocker.Nobody would have expected this from Jagjit Singh.He seemed a very prgmatic and a humble person.Well,not any more.With this outburst,he appears to be jealous that he is not getting as much fame as ARR is getting.
The counter question to Jagjit Singh should be,can he sing any other variety of songs other than Ghazals and Bhajans??
The answer is NO.
Nobody will say that Rahman lacks variety.His compositions all through these years stand testimony to this.
It's strange that Jagjit Singh seems to conviniently forget the fact that it's not Rahman who decides whether a film needs a Gahzal or not.It's the film situation that demands it,surely Jagjit Sigh will know this simple fact.If any film director asks for a Ghazal,surely Rahman will compose a beautiful Ghazal.
An elderly person like Jagjit Singh should have stayed away from these petty politics.
He has let down his fans.He has tarnished his own image.
One thing is sure, whatever Jagjit or any body else says about Rahman,Rahman won't respond to such silly comments.He is a very simple and down to earth person and he will continue striving for excellence.
Jagjit Singh has later tried to reduce the impact of his empty rhetoric.
Jagjit clarifies, “Actually what I meant was Rahman, being an innovative award-winning composer who connects with today’s Gen-Next, should also include ghazals written by stalwarts like Gulzar in his film repertoire.Of late, he has been confining himself to jazzy and folksy-fusion Indi-pop.Since he is versatile enough, he should be able to come up with fabulous ghazals and popularise them.”
He even says if Rahman composes Ghazals,he is ready to sing for Rahman..
Now I leave it there,on what was Jagjit Singh's intention in saying all these things...
Tuesday, February 3, 2009
Advani quotes Benazir
Leader of opposition L.K.Advani,or let me say the PM in-waiting,has developed a habit of quoting pakistani leaders..!!
Earler he quoted Mohammed Ali Jinnah,when he visited pakistan,and the after effects of that controversial quote still troubles him,with no one in his party or his sangh accepting his muisings.
Now in his blog Advani says,and i quote him here "
The current controversy surrounding Election Commissioner Shri Navin Chawla reminds me of a conversation I had had with Benazir Bhutto when she visited Delhi during the NDA regime. She had lunch with me that day and she shared with me a delicious dish of Sindhi curry, which my wife Kamala prepares excellently.
In the post lunch chat we had that day, I posed a question to Benazir: “How is it” I asked her, “that though both India’s as well as Pakistan’s political leadership had imbibed a similar political culture under British rule, India had managed its democracy with remarkable success but in Pakistan democracy had been a total failure.” Benazir’s reply was succinct: “I attribute your country’s success to two factors: firstly, your Army is apolitical; and secondly, your Election Commission is constitutionally independent of the Executive.”
Benazir had rightly identified the two guarantees for Indian democracy. For the first of these ― the Indian Army never nurturing political ambitions of any kind ― the credit goes entirely to our armed forces and those who have led it since independence, while credit for the Election Commission’s independence must be given to the Constituent Assembly.
"
Sure Indian Army and Election Commission has functioned exceptionally well throughout.But then why is Advani quoting benazir??Is it a new information to him?
He doesn't know about these facts?
He is affectionately quoting a pakistani leader whose tenure as PM saw continued proxy-war through terrorism in India.Agreed all leaders of pakistan were and are hostile towards India.But then,for Advani to quote benazir as if her good-will certificate is needed for Indian Army and the EC,is absolutely not necessary.
Earlier he lavishily praised Jinnah,who was responbile for partitioning of India.Now this benazir quote..!!
India deserves better from it's Leader of Opposition..
Earler he quoted Mohammed Ali Jinnah,when he visited pakistan,and the after effects of that controversial quote still troubles him,with no one in his party or his sangh accepting his muisings.
Now in his blog Advani says,and i quote him here "
The current controversy surrounding Election Commissioner Shri Navin Chawla reminds me of a conversation I had had with Benazir Bhutto when she visited Delhi during the NDA regime. She had lunch with me that day and she shared with me a delicious dish of Sindhi curry, which my wife Kamala prepares excellently.
In the post lunch chat we had that day, I posed a question to Benazir: “How is it” I asked her, “that though both India’s as well as Pakistan’s political leadership had imbibed a similar political culture under British rule, India had managed its democracy with remarkable success but in Pakistan democracy had been a total failure.” Benazir’s reply was succinct: “I attribute your country’s success to two factors: firstly, your Army is apolitical; and secondly, your Election Commission is constitutionally independent of the Executive.”
Benazir had rightly identified the two guarantees for Indian democracy. For the first of these ― the Indian Army never nurturing political ambitions of any kind ― the credit goes entirely to our armed forces and those who have led it since independence, while credit for the Election Commission’s independence must be given to the Constituent Assembly.
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Sure Indian Army and Election Commission has functioned exceptionally well throughout.But then why is Advani quoting benazir??Is it a new information to him?
He doesn't know about these facts?
He is affectionately quoting a pakistani leader whose tenure as PM saw continued proxy-war through terrorism in India.Agreed all leaders of pakistan were and are hostile towards India.But then,for Advani to quote benazir as if her good-will certificate is needed for Indian Army and the EC,is absolutely not necessary.
Earlier he lavishily praised Jinnah,who was responbile for partitioning of India.Now this benazir quote..!!
India deserves better from it's Leader of Opposition..
Sunday, February 1, 2009
Why the so-called moral police is silent??
Hope every body remember the strange love-marriage of the Haryana former deputy chief minister.He was a married man with 2 kids .He ditched them and married another lady.
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Now read below the latest in that saga.The report is from timesnow.
The Chand-Fiza saga saw yet another twist today with Haryana's former deputy chief minister saying that he "loves" his first wife Seema and their children and was "missing" them, three days after he abruptly left the house he shared with his second wife Fiza.
43-year-old Chand, who just two months ago created a stir by converting to Islam to marry former Additional Advocate General Anuradha Bali alias Fiza and publically proclaimed his "undying" love for her, gave indications of a change of heart.
"I love Seema (his first wife), my children a son and a daughter," Chander Mohan, who changed his name to Chand Mohammad after conversion, told reporters here after resurfacing from a three-day hibernation.
On being asked about Fiza, 37, who allegedly attempted suicide and was arrested by police on the charge before being released on bail yesterday, Chand said, "I respect her."
Chand, who is the son of former Haryana chief minister Bhajan Lal, and Fiza married in November last year, drawing the wrath of his family which disowned him. Chand was also sacked as Deputy Chief Minister. The couple came out in open about their marriage on November 30 last year.
Parring questions on whether Chand would return back to his first wife, an agitated Fiza asked why he was "not coming out in open".
"Everyone can understand under what compulsion he (Chand) made the latest statement at the house of friend of his brother Kuldeep Bishnoi in Gurgaon," she said in Mohali.
Fiza said she will leave to the "people of the country to decide what is happening with her".
"I will not make any comments till Chand comes in front of me," Fiza said reacting to her husband's comment that he was "missing" his first wife and her children.
Asked about her next course of action, Fiza said "wait and watch."
Replying to a question, she said, "I will not leave Islam...I had embraced it from the core of my heart."
"It is not in good taste to play with sentiments of a woman and religion."
"I belong to a middle class family....all types of questions are asked to me, but nobody is asking any question from Chand Mohammad as he is from a big political background," Fiza said.
A visibly distraught Fiza had created a stir early this week by claiming that Chand was abducted at the behest of his family but it was denied within hours by him over phone.
Chand said he had gone on his own.
A day later, Fiza was rushed to a hospital in a semi-conscious state following an overdose of sleeping pills and blood pressure tablets. She was yesterday arrested for allegedly attempting suicide but was immediately released on bail.
But Fiza yesterday denied that she had attempted suicide and dismissed reports that relations between Chand and her were "strained" leading to his going away without intimating her about his whereabouts.
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God knows why they converted to Islam to get married..!!I think it's time Islamic clerics start discouraging people from converting to Islam to achieve narrow personal reasons.
Here is a man who dumped his wife and kids for another woman.
Now Mr.Chand Mohammad is on the verge of dumping his new wife and wants to go back to his old wife..!!!
His first wife should spit on his face rather than again accepting him ...
Now as for India's so-called moral police,don't they think that it's these kinds of things that really shows the lack of Indian morals..??
Why are they silent??
Beating up defenceless women,as what happened in Karnataka,and then ironically shouting 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai' when getting out on bail is just not on.It can be argued that those women went to pub for drinking and a few of them were dressed not that well,(even that is not none of any one's business,it was their personal choice),still beating and molesting them is whose culture??
Defenitely not Indian culture to molester women.
It was really shameful to see these women-beaters coming out of jail as if they are soldiers coming out from a battle, victorious...!!!
It's a joke that they have named their organization as 'sri Ram Sena'.Lord Rama will be ashamed that his name is misused to promote Talibanism in India.And for some one like me,who is a very devote Hindu,it's really hurting inside to see incidents like these.
And in any case who decides which is part of Indian culture and which is not?
Is there is sacred book or some thing like that available listing out point by point items coming under Indian culture and those which require beating up women??
Why is it that these so called custodians of India join the Army or some other defence forces and be the custodians of India.
But then they are terribly afraid to face up to the pakistani terrorists and they enjoy only beating and molesting young Indian girls.
As for those young girls,if their parents are not concerned about their kids' drinking and going to pubs,and if the girls themselves don't think it's wrong,so be it.
If any 'sena' is concerned,there are other means of protests available to uphold 'Indian Culture'.Surely it's an absolute shame to indulge in beating young girls.
Beating women is not a man's culture...!!
Shame...Shame...Shame...Shame..It's absurd..
I cannot imagine that those molesters are feeling proud of what they did..
I cannot stop laughing when I saw the 'Molester Sena' supporters shouting 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai',as if they won a victory for Bharat by kicking young girls...!!
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Now read below the latest in that saga.The report is from timesnow.
The Chand-Fiza saga saw yet another twist today with Haryana's former deputy chief minister saying that he "loves" his first wife Seema and their children and was "missing" them, three days after he abruptly left the house he shared with his second wife Fiza.
43-year-old Chand, who just two months ago created a stir by converting to Islam to marry former Additional Advocate General Anuradha Bali alias Fiza and publically proclaimed his "undying" love for her, gave indications of a change of heart.
"I love Seema (his first wife), my children a son and a daughter," Chander Mohan, who changed his name to Chand Mohammad after conversion, told reporters here after resurfacing from a three-day hibernation.
On being asked about Fiza, 37, who allegedly attempted suicide and was arrested by police on the charge before being released on bail yesterday, Chand said, "I respect her."
Chand, who is the son of former Haryana chief minister Bhajan Lal, and Fiza married in November last year, drawing the wrath of his family which disowned him. Chand was also sacked as Deputy Chief Minister. The couple came out in open about their marriage on November 30 last year.
Parring questions on whether Chand would return back to his first wife, an agitated Fiza asked why he was "not coming out in open".
"Everyone can understand under what compulsion he (Chand) made the latest statement at the house of friend of his brother Kuldeep Bishnoi in Gurgaon," she said in Mohali.
Fiza said she will leave to the "people of the country to decide what is happening with her".
"I will not make any comments till Chand comes in front of me," Fiza said reacting to her husband's comment that he was "missing" his first wife and her children.
Asked about her next course of action, Fiza said "wait and watch."
Replying to a question, she said, "I will not leave Islam...I had embraced it from the core of my heart."
"It is not in good taste to play with sentiments of a woman and religion."
"I belong to a middle class family....all types of questions are asked to me, but nobody is asking any question from Chand Mohammad as he is from a big political background," Fiza said.
A visibly distraught Fiza had created a stir early this week by claiming that Chand was abducted at the behest of his family but it was denied within hours by him over phone.
Chand said he had gone on his own.
A day later, Fiza was rushed to a hospital in a semi-conscious state following an overdose of sleeping pills and blood pressure tablets. She was yesterday arrested for allegedly attempting suicide but was immediately released on bail.
But Fiza yesterday denied that she had attempted suicide and dismissed reports that relations between Chand and her were "strained" leading to his going away without intimating her about his whereabouts.
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God knows why they converted to Islam to get married..!!I think it's time Islamic clerics start discouraging people from converting to Islam to achieve narrow personal reasons.
Here is a man who dumped his wife and kids for another woman.
Now Mr.Chand Mohammad is on the verge of dumping his new wife and wants to go back to his old wife..!!!
His first wife should spit on his face rather than again accepting him ...
Now as for India's so-called moral police,don't they think that it's these kinds of things that really shows the lack of Indian morals..??
Why are they silent??
Beating up defenceless women,as what happened in Karnataka,and then ironically shouting 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai' when getting out on bail is just not on.It can be argued that those women went to pub for drinking and a few of them were dressed not that well,(even that is not none of any one's business,it was their personal choice),still beating and molesting them is whose culture??
Defenitely not Indian culture to molester women.
It was really shameful to see these women-beaters coming out of jail as if they are soldiers coming out from a battle, victorious...!!!
It's a joke that they have named their organization as 'sri Ram Sena'.Lord Rama will be ashamed that his name is misused to promote Talibanism in India.And for some one like me,who is a very devote Hindu,it's really hurting inside to see incidents like these.
And in any case who decides which is part of Indian culture and which is not?
Is there is sacred book or some thing like that available listing out point by point items coming under Indian culture and those which require beating up women??
Why is it that these so called custodians of India join the Army or some other defence forces and be the custodians of India.
But then they are terribly afraid to face up to the pakistani terrorists and they enjoy only beating and molesting young Indian girls.
As for those young girls,if their parents are not concerned about their kids' drinking and going to pubs,and if the girls themselves don't think it's wrong,so be it.
If any 'sena' is concerned,there are other means of protests available to uphold 'Indian Culture'.Surely it's an absolute shame to indulge in beating young girls.
Beating women is not a man's culture...!!
Shame...Shame...Shame...Shame..It's absurd..
I cannot imagine that those molesters are feeling proud of what they did..
I cannot stop laughing when I saw the 'Molester Sena' supporters shouting 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai',as if they won a victory for Bharat by kicking young girls...!!
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